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SpaceRay
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As now is already available the preorder upgrade to FF 4.0 I want to help in some way that people WANT to buy this preorder now instead of waiting for the final version to do it. So this way would get some money now and get more profit from FF 4.0.

I think that one way to encourage, motivate and urge to buy the new preorder would be to know what new features are going to be included in the final new FF 4.0 version

It would be good to know what mouthwatering reasons would be able to make you WANT to buy this preorder of FF 4.0 even more.

I mean not to dream and speculate about what could possibly be included and what you could want, as FF Inc. will make what they think that can be done and what they think is a high priority and BE POSSIBLE to make now for this version.

What will make you want to buy this ?

I mean that of the possible features that FF Inc. could include and not from the Feature wishlist forum or the wiki.

Until know from the news available in FF 4.0 the new features will be

Available now in FF 4.0 Beta 1 - Groups and Instancing and here is a forum thread about this topic too FF 4.0 Grouping and Instances - Comments, suggestions and opinions

Available later possibly in FF 4.0 Beta 2 - Official discussion: upcoming Filter Manager

Until now this are the only two confirmed things and available as included features and that are also shown in the Feature Wishlist Wiki

And although these are very good things, interesting and useful, I think that there will be more things added as I think that these are not going to be the only things added to FF 4.0 but yet they are unknown.

So it would be good to know more about the possible future features of FF 4.0 to motivate people to want it and willing to buy the upgrade OR make the preorder of FF 4.0
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Skybase
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SpaceRay
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I forgot to say that this is NOT a new wishlist thread to put wishes for FF 4.0, this is just to motivate people to buy the upgrade.

I put this as I have now thought that could be confused as another thread about this topic, which is not my intention.

As StevieJ said in another thread

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What enhancements would do the most to "progress" and "propel" this program in the market.....and bring the greatest $$$ return???
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Ramlyn
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Yes, I agree with SpaceRay. If the people don't have a clear idea of what new features are coming, or if they don't see enough difference with the previous version, they don't buy or they wait for a discount.
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Skybase
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It just seems nothing is super concrete during the beta phases. Not gonna say things about that.

I mean consider this though: once 4.0 rolls out some of us would be using 4.0 to create new filters which won't work with any version below. So it's better to order the new version anyway if you want to keep up with the wealth of created user-content.
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Andrew B.

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My guess is they are going to put features on the list as they are added to the beta. Not the usual way, but it seems like that's what they are doing. Maybe because the grouping feature is so complex, they don't know how much time they will want to spend on other features.
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Crapadilla
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New... Filter... Manager...! smile;) smile:D
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SpaceRay
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Ramlyn

Yes, I agree with SpaceRay. If the people don't have a clear idea of what new features are coming, or if they don't see enough difference with the previous version, they don't buy or they wait for a discount.


I agree with you and this is the point, I want to help get money for FF Inc. now but I do not think that many people would be likely to buy FF 4.0 unless they KNOW what is going to be included and there must be new features that are worth the upgrade.

I do not agree to wait for a discount, because you do not have to wait as there is already now available a special discount for the upgrade or the preorder if buy FF 3.0 as new now.

TO SKYBASE AND ANDREW B.

Yes, I know that most probably they will be telling about the features when they are near the release of next beta or when they are already sure working on something, but if they want people to buy something you must let know what they are going to buy and why.

Of course that if you do not upgrade, then later most of the filters will be for FF 4.0 and you will be left behind, but this is not the thing here, I do not mean NOT to upgrade, I mean to help FF Inc. make decide people to buy now offering them more information about the next version and what you will have.

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New... Filter... Manager...!


If the only new things for FF 4.0 will be groups and the filter manager, I would probably not upgrade, BUT I hope that there will be more interesting and useful things included apart of this.
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Skybase
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... ok.... guess I should not post because all I do is just agitate threads.
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Vladimir Golovin
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You can count on Groups and the new Filter Manager. Releasing the final version without them wouldn't make much sense.

As for the third feature, that would depend on how much programmer-time we will have left after we fixed the Groups and implemented the Filter Manager. It will be EITHER a single feature lobbied by me OR a couple of community-requested features from somewhere near the top of the list.

(Please don't turn this thread into another "please please FF give us feature X". We are well aware which features are requested often and which are not. Cluttering the forum will not speed things up.)
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SpaceRay
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As for the third feature It will be EITHER a single feature lobbied by me OR a couple of community-requested features from somewhere near the top of the list.


smile:?: smile:?: smile:eek: There will be ONLY 3 (or 4) new things for FF 4.0 smile:?: smile:?:

I think it would be better to release it later and have more things added, although not big or major features, but some smaller ones.

I mean it should have something that make you surely want to update because it has something that adds something important for filter forge, in FF 3.0 the two most amazing and great things have been the multi image support and the expanded options for built in images and not have only the lifesaver, and more things.

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(Please don't turn this thread into another "please please FF give us feature X". We are well aware which features are requested often and which are not. Cluttering the forum will not speed things up.)


I agree with this and this is why I have written "this is NOT a new wishlist thread to put wishes for FF 4.0, this is just to motivate people to buy the upgrade. "

So this is not to request to have more features, just to know what real features are going to be included truly and so decide to buy FF 4.0
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Sharandra
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Eh Ray, you do realize that the two main features are not only 2 small features but both kinda like a bundle of features? Maybe the grouping feature is not so exiting to you, since you´re not so much into filter creation, but I´d upgrade just because of that. And the filter manager will be great for everyone.
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Crapadilla
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Is it just me or is this thread really getting surreal? smile:|
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Skybase
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It is getting surreal because the initial post assumed that FilterForge already had made decisions on what to construct. Which is why I was thinking it'll derp itself.
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Carl
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simple answer, every addition of FF has been worth the upgrade smile:D
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Skybase
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Darn! lol Carl posted and I couldn't modify my message.

All I'm trying to say is the show just began, there are a ton of good things happening, and we don't exactly know what's coming up our way. Should wait until the final version to decide on things and until then we should avoid making assumptions. smile;)

And yes the features are pretty big on the user interface this time! smile:) It encompasses a whole variety of new things! Now I'll stop saying things.
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SpaceRay
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I think it has happened again that I tried to help and have made it wrong, sorry
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Sharandra

Eh Ray, you do realize that the two main features are not only 2 small features but both kinda like a bundle of features?

Maybe the grouping feature is not so exiting to you,


Yes, I realize that and know that this are two important a big upgrades and have a great impact on the way you use FF, and I do not disagree at all with this, BUT I would not upgrade ONLY for this two things. Yes, is true I am not excited with the grouping and although is a good thing, I am not a fan of it, although think is good to have and was needed.

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the initial post assumed that FilterForge already had made decisions on what to construct.


Well I assumed that FF Inc. or better Vladimir, have already thought about the possible things that could be included and he does not make things improvising, so he must have some idea of what would be possible, other different things is that he has not made a final decision.

What is wrong from me is complaining of features when have JUST been released the FF Beta 1 and with only one news about Beta 2.

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simple answer, every addition of FF has been worth the upgrade


OH YES!! I agree with you, the FF 3.0 has been a very good upgrade and really much worth the upgrade and had excelent features, and FF 2.0 too.

In FF 3.0 there has been 7 GREAT and awesome things shown here

Support for Multiple Source Images
and More built in Preview Images

changed really much the way to make filters and opened a new total way to show multiple images on the filter and also the way to make the presets that is now possible to make much better presets showing what can be done and not only the lifesaver.

And also the new edge detector is better and good and made some interesting results and also very interesting the Bézier Curves that can make some very good things and it changed the way to make some things and make them better.

and I love much the
Progressive Previews
Interactive Before/After Wipe
and new Flexible UI with Resizable Panels

that also changed much the way to view the results and work with the filters and more important also to move the panels in the filter editor. Really great things.

So it has been 7 THINGS really worth much the upgrade that has been very helpful and useful.

Will FF 4.0 compare to these really great features from FF 3.0?


Well, the only way to know this is just wait and see what happens and what other news Vladimir will uncover.
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Carl
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Darn!

Add it to your list SB smile:dgrin:
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