Can we sell licenses from our reward points?

I have sent a message into filter forge themselves, but they take a few days to respond sometimes, so I was going to ask the community as well. I always assumed that since we can gift licenses to others, that we could sell those licenses from our reward points.

So does anyone want to weigh in on whether or not it is okay to sell licenses by claiming reward points. When I say this I mean, sell a license and use 3 reward points to get the buyer a legitimate license in their name for filter forge. I am not talking about any obvious illegal activity like selling the same licenses or crap like that. I am so against priracy that I can barely even spell it.

I would be interested to hear others oppinions, and I will let you know what Filter Forge replies back to me so that there is no doubt to whether or not you can.

I am torn on the issue as well, hence my post.

My strongest argument for being able to sell the license is this. They don't say I can't.

My strongest argument for not being able to sell the license is this. They don't say I can.

Get my drift

With the argument that Filter Forge will lose money, maybe... but another argument can be made that they lost money from me when they gave me the free lifetime upgrade. It almost felt as if my High Usage Filters were worth the lose in revenue.

I have already sold one awhile back, thinking it was okay. Then I started wondering if it was, then I asked Filter Forge. If Filter Forge comes out and says it is not okay then I am going to refund this gentlemans monies but also let him keep the copy of filter forge because it is already in his name.

So in other words, if it is okay then I just made some money and Filter Forge got 3 High Usage filters from me which they thought worth it...

If it is not okay then I didn't get money but either did Filter Forge...

On one last thought. I will do whatever Filter Forge says. If they don't want me selling the rewards for even the silliest reason such as "no your name is redcap and we don't like that name" I will bend over backwards to comply. I want to do what is right.

However, I hope they realize that if I can sell them; well there are a whole bunch of unsubmitted filters that I just haven't felt any insentive to submit. With a prospect of making just a little extra money here and there I have a new incentive.
The filters I make for my personal projects all of a sudden become a way to make a little exra here and there.

So in short, I really want to know so I can do the right thing.

Have to agree with Carl.....gifted or sold, still a legitimate copy of FF......which FF has to honor and service.....but no FF refunds since the copy was not "purchased" from FF. This would be my guess to how FF will view it.....

So if you will excuse me, I'm heading over to Ebay to undercut FF's sales..... LOL.....

I think it would be best for those of us who have not already attained lifetime status not to force FF to make a public decision on this. As that decision could affect permanent future policy. As the question is just as much "How do you keep lifetime recipients motivated to keep submitting filters?" as it is about selling reward points. And the obvious solution does not sound too good to many of us. If your currently able to sell reward points and the name of the person receiving the FF software is on their copy then there is no reason they would have to go to you for support. This kind of sitation reminds me of Electricity. It works great as long as you do not make direct contact with it.

FF can't dictate whether you sell or give away the program from your reward points....and either way, FF got HU filters in exchange for the program....and it has to honor and support it as a legitimate liscenced copy....

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infiniview wrote: "How do you keep lifetime recipients motivated to keep submitting filters?"

ANSWER: There needs to be futher incentives beyond the program rewards....

Oh, well if we can sell licenses with our extra HU points, then why are we asking for other incentives? If we want to sell more licenses, just submit more quality filters. Problem solved?

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Kraellin wrote: FF was selling for $300.00 dollars u.s., then your HU filter is worth $100.00 u.s.

----The only problem is, the real price for FF is $239 these days, $399 with the standard ongoing/neverending 40% off, (and was $179 wih 40% off when it was $299). And good luck selling someone a copy for more than half that. Considering that discount that is always available, an HU point is worth more like $40 tops these days. So let's say you have a sh*tty job, that's 4 hours, or half a day's pay. Can you consistently make filters that will go HU in 4 hours ? If not, there is no incentive in that way. I've gotten 20-30 HU's over my time spent making filters, and I averaged about 0.002% statistically over the course of the 2 years or so I was making filters. As far as 1.0 = getting back a pathetic $10 an hour for time spent making filters by selling FF licenses with 3 HU points at a time.

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....In conclusion FF is certainly aware that the program rewards have become exhausted....now primarily getting filter submissions from new authors who don't realize (or care) about the return value being far less than the value of their time involved....and now I see that FF recently gave an Editor's Pick to a new filter that is a clone variant to an existing library filter that can produce the exact same effects....

Honesty, I'm bummed with what's happening....or more appropriately, with what's not happening here....but hey, it is what it is.....I can make anything imaginable with this program.....just hate to see the wasted potential of what could be done here to get a continuous flow of new, cutting-edge, quality filter works....

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IONclad wrote: When you install FF one of the paragraphs of the legalese that nobody reads, says that the FF license is 'non-transferable'. Which speaks to selling one's copy I'm betting.

Well actually its not selling the License/Copy of the application itself.....What is being talked about is...the reward points..........When you score a HU or one of the filters goes high you get reward points that can be used for discounts and free licenses to FF...Myself I have used/spent those to give people their very own licenses for FF.(Christmas Gifts)..So they are giving the licenses from FF inc through me spending those rewards.....Thats what is being disscussed..

Hint: when claiming a reward for HU points a registration form will open which allows you to issue a license for another person. You won't think this has been implemented unintentionally?..