How can i use filter forge textures

hey,
i found your site with a lot of amazing textures but can't find how i can use this filters. i'm student and in my spare time i develope games, i earn no money with them and but would like to use some textures (e.g. the low resolution ones everybody can see on the website).

what do i have to consider?
do i need a purchased accound?
or is "filterforge" in credits (or may in the intro) enough?

thank you !!

thank you..

that means i can use these textures for free?

I have a question as a newb as well. Is it considered okay to 'save image' from the Basic Edition (meaning can't create my own filter) and then resell them as textures?

These is terrific software and still figuring out how to use it.

Leolion - yes you can do legally what ever you like with FF, ....... but keep in mind some author find it morally corrupt to use verbatim the presets as tile resells

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derKai wrote: would like to use some textures (e.g. the low resolution ones everybody can see on the website).

lifting samples images from threads and website is a breach of copyright, also copyright is held by the author on any image or filter in threads until it is uploaded to the library where the auther gives FF all rights ...

Let's not beat around the bush, gentlemen ....with no restrictions and a 30 day trial.....people can just render out all the textures that they want within 30 days and not pay for the program.....and if they want even more textures, they can just change to a new IP and email for another 30 days of free textures.....which I'm sure has been going on all along with alot of texture resellers out there.....and still no restriction on straight texture reselling???

Sorry.....knee-jerk reaction.....nevermind.....

despite steve's frequently re-occurring 'kneejerk', no one has to post his/her filters to the public library. those filters NOT posted to the FF public library are owned by the original author with all rights reserved by that person. the public library is just that, a public library done in the spirit of open source sharing. that means ANYONE may use those filters and their results for free. that some authors object to this are trying to have their cake and eat it too. if they dont want others to use their filters and presets then they shldnt post them in the PUBLIC library. and not all of us want that changed.

There are no usage restrictions on anything.....from eiher buying the program, trial version, or ripping images from website.....nothing. I guess the upside of all this is that FF spends absolutely no money, man-hours. or effort to protect anything.....

I don't think that this information is made very clear, if you read the filter library or main pages text it almost sounds like everything is free, there is a program that you could buy but you could also get that for free. On the texture pages they would download from there is a link to the program but no text saying they cannot use the images or even linking to the terms of use.

So basically what i am saying is if you did not know otherwise or read the terms of use it seems like a giant free texture library and a program that can make them also if you want to use it. The thing with this is they asked about a month ago, the main replies would have seemed like yes you can use the websites images without buying anything.

Wow...didn't know what I'd started when I asked my simple (or not so simple) question.

When I tried the Beta, I was thrilled with FF. I had the trial for a few days and knew I had to have it so I bought the Basic Edition but it left me no ability to make my own filters. I thought to myself, "Self, it will take a while to get salty on this app, so observe and listen and learn." Meanwhile there's a plethora of filters to use and filter images to use for textures and for my builds.

Now it seems that when and if I sell these textures inworld (SL) I will be a scum-sucking low-life without a moral compass to some, and to others I will be well within my rights to do so as those who have posted the filters to this public domain have done so with full knowledge that they are giving them away with the express understanding that they will be used without restriction.

So...

I've looked at FF from both sides now, from up and down and still somehow, it's FF's EULA'sions I recall, I really don't know wtf is going on at all.

Best Regards,
LeoLion

Seems i was wrong in some of what i said after reading CorvusCroax point 4) now so as i can't edit my above post the new version is -

"On the texture preview pages they would download from there is a link to the program but no text saying they cannot use the images commercially. The Terms of Use link is not very noticeable at the bottom of the page and on the seamless preview not visible with nothing in the text about the terms of use."

Yeah i agree, although sadly i doubt there will ever be anything changed to give users copyrights to those images they submit or stop direct re-selling of textures as this would have already happened a long time ago. I still hope things change with this also though.

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James wrote: I still hope things change with this

Me too....

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ronjonnie wrote: Steve is correct! AMEN!

Ron, I wish the women in my relationships had given me just a fraction of the loyalty and support that I've got from you..... ..... LOL.....

Ron, we're going to make this happen!!! Never say die!!! Release the Krakkon!!! .....

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ronjonnie wrote: Thanks. If you are not married, keep your eyes peeled, she's out there! Better days are comming!

Umm, Just remember to read the EULA thoroughly before you do anything rash.

j/k

Great weekend all!
LeoLion

Kraellin if you think i or others don't know that already then you don't catch on very fast and i doubt most people are referring to old/current textures when they say that there should be a updated EULA/system also.

In fact knowing this i have not submitted anything new in years and have watched the standards of the library fall as time passes also so it's clear there should be changes made. I see a load of great textures in the beta gallery threads but much less of it in the filter library now. I can tell people are holding on sharing them more now days, that is probably down to the fact they would get re-sold also and people already own or have a free copy of FF.

You will also know that in many cases i don't start these topics i just take part like others that have the same opinion about it. The endless bickering is not helped by you either constantly saying the same things back to people because you clearly disagree also, so there is no point in bringing up something like that when you play a part of it also.

Maybe you are referring to others here when you say tactics but all i do is say my opinion. I see tactics in your post though like for example bringing the topic back to focus when the discussion had basically ended, quoting me with the name attached and then quoting StevieJ after without it to make it seem like i said what he did. Maybe you do that thinking it is easier to direct things towards me rather than StevieJ who is more of a regular around here thinking i won't reply back.

I am guessing you are referring to StevieJ's earlier comment but you go about things the wrong way when you quote like that. What i said in this thread was mainly that the usage terms of the website images is not made very clear and then saying i still agree that things should change.

Maybe doing the quotes like that was a mistake but that is how it seems anyway and i can say for a fact there is no tactics/attacks on my part, i just give my opinion/vote as like many others here i think that things should change. I am guessing that was a mistake and that was a general reply rather than towards me so i suggest maybe replying to each quote separately in the future so it is clear who you are talking to.

Hey everyone,

I must say that is very well said Steve! I for the life of me can't figure out

why the Filter Forge company would rather let others have the money? Maybe it's just that they really don't need any more? It might just be a, share the wealth thing, yah suppose?

I must admit, I have been with holding filters back, for, well,.... I believe we all have heard why. In addition,.. trying to make a decision, then waiting,.... on, Filter Forge to make one.

Have a good evening.

Ron

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Kraellin wrote: james, kindly look at your statement that i quoted and tell me what i missed. i can only go by what you said.

The fact you wrote most of the previous comment like it's directed towards me and everything else i said maybe. There were a few points i agree with though which is why you have that quote but don't try to twist things like i fully agree with you. It's more of a case of what you miss when you read other people comments.

Anyway in this thread i was not planning to get deep into this again before in my opinion getting dragged into it. I am guessing you were not expecting me to reply back though or just made a mistake you don't want to admit to which was quoting me and directing your reply to someone else or others in general. With just my name there in the original quotes it seems like it was all towards me yet i doubt that was the case and why i replied back.

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Kraellin wrote: what if, instead of trying to restrict resellers, you let that part go for the current library. just leave that open source like it's been. then, whatever else you're trying to implement do it as a new, more restricted area, pay for type thing. that's all i'm asking. this leaves the choice up to the authors, go open source in public library or put it in the restricted, pay for area and go for the gold.

I don't know about others but that is mainly the type of things i have suggested before. I still don't agree with re-selling but it's not like i think that things could change for the old textures as they have been available with no restrictions for a long time. A new no cost library with optional terms of use for each texture could get started also if they did not want a texture re-sold, this is what refer to when i say changes to the (or another) library a lot of the time but it would need to be official FF based for people to take notice of it.

If they were being sold also there should be some sort of can re-sell and cannot re-sell license thing also. The ones people can re-sell at a much higher price otherwise lower priced for learning and non commercial use. With them being sold though there would probably be more of a interest from texture creators though as they get a return back. A commercial based thing would probably be better for much higher quality textures also.

Both ideas together could be good also as some people just want to share anyway. With a no cost library there should still have the option to set some sort of usage terms like creative commons for others though. I don't see why you couldn't have all 3 things though, the current library as a open/stock library, another no cost library with optional user terms and a commercial library to give sellers a return back.

That has actually been my opinion for a while yet there seems to have been some argument against it or what i say mistaken after others read another users comments. People often just think i am in some group of users that want to turn the current library into one that cannot be re-sold but that is actually nothing like what i want to happen.

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Since it sort of went off topic for the thread and what i previously said, all i wanted to say originally put simply was -

1) FF should make the use of the texture library images on the website more clear by having some sort of text/images on the pages (rather than a link people probably won't click on)

2) I still agree with StevieJ's general opinions about having a better system/library, +1 vote

ok, thanks guys. i think we've covered most all of the bases.

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ronjonnie wrote: I am soo glad to finally hear a mutual agreement!

I wish.... LOL....

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Kraellin wrote: ok, thanks guys. i think we've covered most all of the bases.

Hold on, Bubba .....you're not getting away that easy..... LOL....

Let's talk about the "Losses" versus "Gains" to FF by putting a restriction on straight texture result reselling.....

LOSSES:

1) A negligable group of users will be upset that they can't just crank out straight textures from filters and sell them as their own anymore without agreement from the filter author.....

2) FF will have to endure some beeeotching, moaning, and fear-mongering threats that the program will be boycotted if any kind of usage restriction is placed on it.....but they will get over it and still buy and use the program.....

GAINS:

1) New and veteran authors will submit better quality texture filters....and not be predisposed to withhold them from submission. Cases and points; Dilla, one of FFs most talented filter authors, actually started this whole "movement" when he got sick and tired of seeing all of his textures being resold at other sites.....and stopped producing here because of it. I never submitted any textures because of the same reason.....and I've got tons of them just collecting dust.....

2) Giving authors "tangible" texture result copyrights can be used to "justify" and create much-needed new draws and incentives for a continuous flow of quality filterworks from new and veteran authors.....