filters flood

Hi,

I'd like to know if somebody can stop the flood of crap filters from these teo users (btw seem to be the same, just with different names - Mika Ramajani and Designer) that are attacking us in the last few days.

Thank you,
Gaga

It's more then ridiculous though with 5K+ filters. FF could at least flush the low usage ones every 6 months or something to trim it down a thousand or so.

jffe

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jffe wrote: FF could at least flush the low usage ones every 6 months or something to trim it down a thousand or so.

That would appear to be a bad idea, at least to me.

A filter might be crappy, but what if it sparked a cool idea or contained an obscure technique? What if was a snippet? Flushing low usage filters would also kill many of uber's snippets for example, and we wouldn't want that now, would we?

IMHO, the solution is not to kill any filters, but to provide a much better way of organizing/categorizing and searching them. Personalized blacklists would be very powerful! Don't like what a filter author submits? Simply blacklist him and you're happy.

Looking forward to what Vladimir comes up with in this regard...

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Crapadilla wrote: What if was a snippet?

----Snippets could be left alone, there aren't very many of them anyways, dun mix crapples and doh-ranges

jffe

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Sjeiti wrote: You can always ignore it if you don't like it.

Yes, true, but they don't ignore me...

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Sjeiti wrote: I haven't seen you post a filter though

That's not the point here...Besides, how can you be sure...

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Sjeiti wrote: I agree that this way of submitting causes the library to contain only a small percentage of good and/or usefull filters.

Not just... Also, in the recent filters list , valuable filters get lost in that
filters spam, being pushed down by all these crappy filters of the same user.

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Crapadilla wrote: Personalized blacklists would be very powerful! Don't like what a filter author submits? Simply blacklist him and you're happy.

Sounds pretty much like LU, doesn't it... Besides, i already can see "funny" situations of HU filters but their authors being blacklisted...

Well, i think maybe can be nice if just a certain number of filters can be uploaded every day or every week.
I don't think serious filter creators can upload more than 2 or 3 filters everyday, and that should be enough...
And yes, i agree such users like that Mika Rajamaki or DarknessDesigner can be blacklisted from the start...

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Kraellin wrote: i think we go through this same topic every six months or so. lol.

Well, maybe that's a sign that points out that FF has to make something about this issue...

I think, each one of us must have a self censor. Maybe my filters are not so great, but at least i invested in them work and they are not filters that i made in 10 minutes and uploaded them just hoping one of them will be lucky and will got HU.
"Learning" doesn't mean you have to post all of your trials. I have a lot of filters that i made and maybe was tempted to upload them, but at a second thought i refrained myself.
These topic is not to discuss filters like yours , that each one of them is a piece of art, but about a very specific kind of creators that upload tones of ubvious crappy filters, just hopping one of them will get HU.

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Gaga wrote: I'd like to know if somebody can stop the flood of crap filters from these teo users

Yes, a per-author blacklist has been on my mind since the beta days. We'll look into it after we're done with the Mac version.

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jffe wrote: FF could at least flush the low usage ones every 6 months or something to trim it down a thousand or so.

We discussed this about a month ago. This should be done carefully though.

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Kraellin wrote: if you do do a 'blacklist' thing

either that or make a new recent tab for new authors and segregate them that way? And when and if they get better at filter making they get moved to the regular recent tab. Then people have a choice to view new authors stuff. But on the other hand just because someone is old hat at making filters doesn't mean the filter they have submitted is to your personal taste. An other idea is limit the amount of filters you can submit per day. That way people will be more choosy over which they upload and which they don't.

HAHAHAH awesome pun steviej!

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Beliria wrote: An other idea is limit the amount of filters you can submit per day.

I thought about that during the beta. Two problems:

1. People hate limits. Remember the limit on the number of controls.

2. If we limit the number of filters per account, this will simply motivate people to spawn multiple accounts ('twinks' / 'alts') to circumvent the limit. Such limits can be effective only if there is some kind of reputation/karma/rating tied to an account, which newly created accounts do not have.

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Gaga wrote: Besides, i already can see "funny" situations of HU filters but their authors being blacklisted...

Ah, now you're being heartless. Blacklisting StevieJ is not the solution!

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Vladimir Golovin wrote: The blacklist should be strictly personal and configurable by the user, not by the FF staff.

Hope so. I always look at ALL works. And want to do it then and by many reasons.

Main of them:

- A filter can be not popular, but that's what I(!) need!
- Done badly, but good IDEA which will be realised in a good project.
- Interesting techique decision which will allow to create something You couldn't before.
- FF requires a time to learn how to use it. Want to see the progress of "young" Authors in order to able to help them if they are interested in it (instead of ignoring).

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Beliria wrote: An other idea is limit the amount of filters you can submit per day

Much more troubles than advantages.


Some ideas which I would find useful for me and maybe someone else:

[1] "User's pick". Where You can see also who recommended it.

[2] "Featured list" ("White list") created from the recommends (User's Picks) of those Authors which You trust.

For example (I repeat - "for example" ):
a) I trust to Dilla, Vladimir, Kochubey, ThreeDee, Carl, Sphinx,...
b) I add their names in this list and than I see my "Featured list" containing only the filters which they(!) marked by "User's Pick".

[3] Summar Author's rating in FF. Best filter of the month. Special Awards.

All FF library is interesting for me pesonally. But I concede that my approach is not popular and the most of users can be in the hard situation with necessity to find 1 from 100 (200? 300? 500?)

So these ideas about "Summar Author's rating" (created from votes, Administation's opinion, usage and download stats), "Best filter of the month nomination" and an interesting "Awards System" can urge to make quality works improving the ratio and make FF looking much much better.

What's "Special award"? I have not idea yet... Maybe $? , for exp - 50$ to the Author of the "Best filter of the month"? Why not?

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Crapadilla wrote: Blacklisting StevieJ is not the solution!

Excusy???

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Gaga wrote: Neah... i like StevieJ filters...

I might have bought that if you hadn't put the devil smilie behind it..... LOL.....

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Constantin Malkov wrote: I always look at ALL works. And want to do it then and by many reasons. Main of them: - A filter can be not popular, but that's what I(!) need! - Done badly, but good IDEA which will be realised in a good project. - Interesting techique decision which will allow to create something You couldn't before. - FF requires a time to learn how to use it. Want to see the progress of "young" Authors in order to able to help them if they are interested in it (instead of ignoring).

Very good points, Constantin!!! I think that's the right way to look at it......

My suggestions for cleaning up the library and 'raising the bar' on submissions:

1) Delete all the library filters that are obvoius quick-tweak variants of existing filters. There are alot of filters like this that won't be missed by anyone at all.....

2) Put a more "watchful eye" on filter submissions. Alot of new authors are cranking out multiple close-variant filters that can easily be combined into one filter. To me, it looks like these authors are focussed on building their total number of filters without realizing that they are diluting the usage on their own filters.....and not realizing that fewer higher-quality filters would stand a better chance of getting the HU rewards.....

3) Use the usage statistics to determine the filters that have not been used at all.....which would be a good indication of a disfunctional filter. Then send the author an email "asking" for the filter to be improved.....and if it is not, it will be given a certain amount of time before it is deleted from the library.....

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There's a limit on Controls? I must have missed that with my 60 control one when I was new

other way around, bel. we used to have a limit of 10 controls. i very nearly had to go to russia and sit on vlad's chest to get them to change that

and yes, i like the idea of more rewards, but we've discussed that to death, also.

***cough***

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StevieJ wrote: My suggestions for cleaning up the library and 'raising the bar' on submissions: 1) Delete all the library filters that are obvoius quick-tweak variants of existing filters. There are alot of filters like this that won't be missed by anyone at all..... 2) Put a more "watchful eye" on filter submissions. Alot of new authors are cranking out multiple close-variant filters that can easily be combined into one filter. To me, it looks like these authors are focussed on building their total number of filters without realizing that they are diluting the usage on their own filters.....and not realizing that fewer higher-quality filters would stand a better chance of getting the HU rewards..... 3) Use the usage statistics to determine the filters that have not been used at all.....which would be a good indication of a disfunctional filter. Then send the author an email "asking" for the filter to be improved.....and if it is not, it will be given a certain amount of time before it is deleted from the library.....

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We'll look into it after we're done with the Mac version. - Vlad

This in the only sentence I've read in this entire post! (and I've read it over and over and over and… )

Still waiting for the call to beta test a native OS X version,
BLUEFROG

Carl brings up a good point. I think that no matter what we do, it should be a manual process. 5000 filters IS a lot, but for someone that knows what they're doing, it's fairly easy to pick out the less valuable filters. I saw Nutsy's gem of a filter and did a nice revamp, I tried contacting him so we could work something out but didn't receive any reply so shrugged my shoulders and submitted. It would be a shame for other hidden gems like that to go undiscovered.

I like carl's thought: Maybe a new "Probation" category could be created where these filters could be moved but still remain accessable. The users would be informed of the "move" and have an opportunity to revise and resubmit under the original category. It would even be safe to have an automatic LU "Probation" process, one which would let the community "flag" a filter for removal from the category if it's a good one.