Kraellin
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artists, authors and so on across the internet are often confused about just what copyright is and if they are protected or not. obviously, we are concerned with this right now with the Eula proposed changes. i thought i'd point out, by quotes from the actual united states copyright internet site, some of the laws and have a little debate/discussion about all this, separate from the Eula thread. perhaps this will clear up some folk's ideas of just what is law and what is myth about copyrights. the following is a quote from this page of the u.s. copyright site: http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html
and the first quote i wanted to post is this:
notice specifically the use of the term 'tangible'. If wishes were horses... there'd be a whole lot of horse crap to clean up!
Craig |
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Posted: January 3, 2008 1:41 pm | ||||||||
StevieJ
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Yeah.....and that's exactly what the new EULA will do.....give authors "tangible" copyrights..... Good post!!! ![]() Steve
"Buzzards gotta eat...same as worms..." - Clint :) |
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Posted: January 3, 2008 1:45 pm | ||||||||
Kraellin
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well, when i pointed out 'tangible', i was trying to point out that presets are in a tangible form. the filter itself is in a tangible form, but anything not yet rendered by a given filter is NOT in a tangible form yet. and i would therefore assume that all presets are already copyrighted by the authors. therefore, their presets of their filters would need no further copyright protection.
If wishes were horses... there'd be a whole lot of horse crap to clean up!
Craig |
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Posted: January 3, 2008 2:08 pm | ||||||||
Kraellin
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here's another one that is often misunderstood. this is taken from the same page as the last one:
notice very carefully the last line here! and here it is again, this time from a different page off the u.s. copyright site: http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq...l#register
If wishes were horses... there'd be a whole lot of horse crap to clean up!
Craig |
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Posted: January 3, 2008 2:16 pm | ||||||||
StevieJ
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Yeah, but with no current user restrictions, making authors the licensors and copyright holders doesn't mean anything at all.....because FF takes any and all copyright protection away on the user end......
Steve
"Buzzards gotta eat...same as worms..." - Clint :) |
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Posted: January 3, 2008 2:24 pm | ||||||||
Conniekat8 |
Assumed or not, without it being more clearly defined in the EULA, various online marketplaces don't see texture sellers in violation of copyrights or EULA if they sell images made from presets. Without change in definition, filter authors don't have a leg to stand on if they wish to ask people to stop selling their textures. They can attempt to argue it, BUT, the whole point of EULA change is to not have to fight and argue about it. For example, in one of the cases of texture sales on renderosity, renderosity's response was that they were in communication with FF, and that the official word from FF is that selling textures made from presets was not a violation. Once that happens, it doesn't matter how you or I or saint Peter thinks how this should be interpreted. Sure, one may want to try to go to court, but your average filter maker probably has no desire or resources to do that. End of story. Fiter makers need more protection at this level, and EULA does that. A change in EULA wording clears it all up. Filter maker sees someone selling images from their presets, and doesn't like it... he has the basis that noone can easily dispute to sey, hey, you need to stop that. Look at the above scenario if proposed EULA changes were in effect: Renderosity contacts FF and asks if it's a violation of EULA. FF says, yes, selling unbodified textures made from presets IS against EULA. End of story. No need for attorneys lawsuits or personal interpretations of copyright law details. |
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Posted: January 3, 2008 2:39 pm | ||||||||
Kraellin
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i would think that's correct. the only thing this points out is that the resellers cant claim copyrights themselves on the presets. they can use them, resell them and so on, but they cant display a copyright notice on the preset renderings. that's all.
that's also correct. If wishes were horses... there'd be a whole lot of horse crap to clean up!
Craig |
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Posted: January 3, 2008 3:11 pm | ||||||||
Kraellin
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ah, i found the 'poor man's copyright' i was talking about in another thread. it's on this page: http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq...ml#poorman and reads thusly:
If wishes were horses... there'd be a whole lot of horse crap to clean up!
Craig |
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Posted: January 5, 2008 9:31 am | ||||||||
Kraellin
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and since 'derivative works' are somewhat important to us right now, here's a couple quotes. this is from the following page: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92ch...derivative and reads:
and from this page: http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ14.html we find this:
and the question of who may prepare a derivative work is answered on this page: http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ14.html and states:
If wishes were horses... there'd be a whole lot of horse crap to clean up!
Craig |
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Posted: January 5, 2008 9:54 am |
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