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				Quasimondo
								
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			I think it might be a nice idea to start some challenges with the goal to find out how to construct certain effects - ideally those that on first look seem to be impossible to build with the current toolset. Feel free to add new topics with other challenges - but please don't add a different challenge to this thread.
 
			So my first challenge to you is to construct a circular gradient - not a radial one which we already have. Ideally it is black at 0 degrees, is 50% grey at 90 and 270 and white at 180 - but of course the perfect circular gradient that I am looking for can display any kind of color combination.  | 
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| Posted: June 4, 2006 6:49 pm | ||||||
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				uberzev
								
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			Something like this?
 
			 
I'll see what I can do.  | 
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| Posted: June 5, 2006 3:47 am | ||||||
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				Quasimondo
								
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			Yes. Good job! Are you using refraction?				 
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| Posted: June 5, 2006 4:56 am | ||||||
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				uberzev
								
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 I just wanted to make sure I knew what you wanted before trying to make it in FF.  | 
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| Posted: June 5, 2006 5:00 am | ||||||
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				Quasimondo
								
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			Ah okay - but it's actually a good idea to use a photoshop prepared gradient as a reference - if you load this as an image and layer the calculated gradient with difference blend mode onto it you can see how good the implementation is.				 
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| Posted: June 5, 2006 5:13 am | ||||||
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				uberzev
								
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			Here's what I've got so far.  Not great but maybe something you can work from...
 
			 
http://uberzev.googlepages.com/RadialGradient.ffxml  | 
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| Posted: June 14, 2006 2:09 am | ||||||
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				Quasimondo
								
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			Oh - that's not so bad for a start. Good work!				 
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| Posted: June 14, 2006 5:34 am | ||||||
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				CFandM
								
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			Nice so far. I was thinking of how to create this myself. I had a easy start then it turned out it was not going to work the way I wanted. I will give this a go. I will post results if I have any. 
			Stupid things happen to computers for stupid reasons at stupid times! 				 | 
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| Posted: June 14, 2006 8:12 am | ||||||
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				uberzev
								
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			I think I nailed it...
 
			http://uberzev.googlepages.com/CircularGradient.ffxml  
Thanks to byRo for his brilliant 'TRUE Circles' from which this is based on.  | 
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| Posted: June 14, 2006 6:05 pm | ||||||
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				uberzev
								
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			For comparison here's Photoshop's version using the angle gradient...
 
			 
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| Posted: June 14, 2006 6:30 pm | ||||||
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				uberzev
								
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			Here's a better version that use my tiles-to-circles method...
 
			http://uberzev.googlepages.com/CircularGradient3.ffxml  
photoshop mockup...  				 | 
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| Posted: June 14, 2006 7:07 pm | ||||||
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				uberzev
								
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			Don't mind me, I'm just having a bit too much fun...   
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| Posted: June 14, 2006 9:23 pm | ||||||
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				uberzev
								
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			Here it is, the holy grail...
 
			http://uberzev.googlepages.com/CircularGradient4.ffxml  
Simply apply any elevation gradient you like and presto...  				 | 
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| Posted: June 14, 2006 9:43 pm | ||||||
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				Quasimondo
								
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			Whoohoo - that is brilliant!				 
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| Posted: June 15, 2006 6:46 am | ||||||
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				CFandM
								
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			Can I say DARN you beat me to it. I will also add HURRAY and a big congrats on working this out. Very clever indeed. 
			Stupid things happen to computers for stupid reasons at stupid times! 				 | 
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| Posted: June 15, 2006 9:11 am | ||||||
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				Vladimir Golovin
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			Uberzev, this is brilliant. Looks like it's a proper circular gradient!				 
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| Posted: June 15, 2006 9:51 am | ||||||
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				Kraellin
								
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			nicely done!
 
			ok, for us non-technical types, what is the difference between a ciruclar gradient and a radial gradient and the also mentioned, angle gradient? craig If wishes were horses... there'd be a whole lot of horse crap to clean up!
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| Posted: June 15, 2006 2:43 pm | ||||||
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				Lucato
								
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			Congratulations GeniUberzev! You're a genius!  
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| Posted: June 15, 2006 2:59 pm | ||||||
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				byRo
								
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			Great work, uberzev!!!!   
			I was a bit stuck on this one, and ended up "borrowing" a few of your ideas - but I believe that mine is still quite different enough to be interesting. Is there a second prize? Rô Circular Gradient byRo.ffxml _________________________________
 				My favourite question is "Why?". My second favourite is "Why not?"  | 
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| Posted: June 15, 2006 3:27 pm | ||||||
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| Posted: June 15, 2006 3:29 pm | ||||||
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				Quasimondo
								
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 That's no big deal with his method - just exchange the spectrum with a black to white gradient and then change its offset to rotate it.  | 
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| Posted: June 15, 2006 3:50 pm | ||||||
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			Well Done Uberzev and Ro.
 
			How about a spiral as the next challenge? Ken.  | 
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| Posted: June 15, 2006 4:25 pm | ||||||
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				uberzev
								
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			It pains me to admit it but my method is just not 100% accurate.  Note the difference between the 'ideal' version and my attempt...
 
			 
Here's 'ideal' on its own...  
Anyway here's another variation of the effect that uses byRo's circle technique. I can't seem to get it to work just right, but its simpler than my tiles-to-circles method. Maybe someone here can figure it out... http://uberzev.googlepages.com/CircularGradient5.ffxml  | 
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| Posted: June 15, 2006 6:09 pm | ||||||
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				uberzev
								
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 That's easy.... http://uberzev.googlepages.com/SpiralGradient.ffxml My method isn't very efficient though.  				 | 
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| Posted: June 15, 2006 6:23 pm | ||||||
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				uberzev
								
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			Some interesting distortions are possible as well...
 
			http://uberzev.googlepages.com/CircleDistortion.ffxml As a perfectionist I hope to see the underlying accuracy issues be resolved before people start using these techniques in their 'official' filters.  				 | 
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| Posted: June 15, 2006 6:33 pm | ||||||
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				uberzev
								
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 Anyway, I initially gave the square method a try but found it didn't have any advantages over the circular variation. 
 RADIAL...  
ANGLE...  
I suggest we use these more descriptive names instead of the ambiguity of 'circular'.  | 
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| Posted: June 15, 2006 6:58 pm | ||||||
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			Uberzev.
 
			Another great Job and a nice Flower. But I was thinking more of a Spiral Ken.  				 | 
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| Posted: June 15, 2006 8:17 pm | ||||||
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				Kraellin
								
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			thank you, uberzev.
 
			craig If wishes were horses... there'd be a whole lot of horse crap to clean up!
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| Posted: June 15, 2006 11:46 pm | ||||||
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				Quasimondo
								
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 Yeah great! That was my original intent of this challenge - to use the gradient as a base for circular distortions.  | 
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| Posted: June 16, 2006 4:26 am | ||||||
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				uberzev
								
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| Posted: June 16, 2006 5:30 am | ||||||
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				byRo
								
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 Like Polar Coordinates Rô _________________________________
 				My favourite question is "Why?". My second favourite is "Why not?"  | 
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| Posted: June 16, 2006 10:55 pm | ||||||
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				uberzev
								
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			The 'official' version is now complete...
 
			http://www.filterforge.com/filters/671.html Take a peak 'under the hood' if you like, it's much less complicated than my previous versions.  | 
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| Posted: June 18, 2006 8:03 pm | ||||||
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				uberzev
								
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			Version 1.5 is done...
 
			http://uberzev.googlepages.com/Circul...t1.5.ffxml Quality has been greatly improved. Photoshop Ideal...  
CAG 1.5...  
Difference...  				 | 
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| Posted: June 20, 2006 7:35 pm | ||||||
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				Quasimondo
								
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			Excellent job! Thank you! Yes the improvement is clearly visible. I've already updated my filters that make use of the gradient with your new version.				 
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| Posted: June 21, 2006 3:56 am | ||||||
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				uberzev
								
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			http://uberzev.googlepages.com/Circul...t1.6.ffxml
 
			Minor update, nothing too exciting. Just simplified things a bit and made sure the 30° angles were accurate.  | 
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| Posted: June 24, 2006 4:40 am | ||||||
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