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BP72
BP72
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I have been using FilterForge for several years for illustrations and for textures (mostly personal / college). I have suggested the product at work and am having issues with getting it approved.

My understanding is you buy FilterForge is it is built to be used. You use it to create textures, build custom textures, edit images, built custom filters in Photoshop, etc, and that is it. That you don't have to have "built with FiterForge" on graphics that used FilterForge in some aspect of the creation of the graphic.

Similarly with Photoshop you use Photoshop to create graphics and Photoshop doesn't require a "Made with Photoshop" on everything made using Photoshop and there are no copyright claims to work you create using Photoshop.

The pushback I am specifically getting is the following :
- You can modify or make derivative works only from “Filters” that you obtained through the Filter Library, so long as:
1. Your derivative works are made using this software;
2. Your derivative works are compatible with this software; and
3. You allow Filter Forge and anyone using Filter Forge to use your products subject to this full EULA or one substantially similar OR you distribute your derivative works without Filter Forge and the end user is subject to this same full EULA.
- The EULA also seems to suggest that each Filter may have their own permissions / restrictions attached, and you will have to abide by any terms accompanying the Filters you use.
- Images made based on/using this software = may not distribute or display
- Images made based on Filters you obtained through this software = may distribute subject to the conditions listed above.


Please advise.
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GMM
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Filter Forge, Inc
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BP72, this is a mix of correct, incorrect and vaguely phrased statements. I'm not a lawyer and I can't comment on some of these points. For example, I sincerely don't know whether images rendered in Filter Forge can be considered "derivative works".

Still, answers to most of your questions can be found not in the EULA but in the Upload License - this is the agreement that filter authors have to accept before uploading filters to the Filter Library. Please show this document to your lawyers.

Filters that don't appear in the Filter Library are not covered by this agreement and are subject to general copyright laws.
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BP72
BP72
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Thank you for the quick reply.
There is ZERO chance any image rendered from FilterForge would be used on it's own. I understand that could be a concern with people trying to one off textures at the default settings and then try and resell those textures on a texture hub website (what some of the wording of the licensing looks like it is trying to prevent from happening).

Our use would be more like several textures rendered out of FilterForge, masked and blended together in Photoshop at varying degrees of opacity to be used in presentations. Or multiple textures rendered out in FilterForge to be used on different parts of 3D scenes and models to be animated and rendered out for presentations.

Unfortunately, it is all now out of my hands. The Software Licensing Department has sent a email to FilterForge likely asking the same questions above. Hopefully the person at FilterForge that receives the email explains it good enough so our department and other departments can use the software. Just looking at the domain the email would be coming from should eliminate any concern of us being a company that is trying to one off textures at the default settings and resell them on a texture hub site.
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GMM
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It is allowed to take a texture from the filter library and resell it even without modifications.
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