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Haras Arch
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I am running FF 4.0 as a standalone program. I have a TIF image that is 300 DPI when I import it into FF, but when I run it through a filter, save it as a TIF, and check the DPI using PhotoFiltre Studio, it has gone down to 72 DPI. Is there a way to make it save at 300 DPI in FF?

I want to use the resulting filtered image in print. I can use PhotoFiltre Studio to resave it at 300 DPI, but I'm not sure if it will print well.
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Rachel Duim
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FF outputs images at 72 DPI. You can fix this in Photoshop losslessly by going to Image / Image Size and unchecking the resample box, then changing the DPI as needed and saving the file. There is more about this here.

Personally I think that the DPI should be passed through unchanged, but this has been known for a long time and probably will not be changed.
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SpaceRay
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Yes, Rick Duim is right, FF output images at 72 DPI but this is only a change from the original 300 DPI, I mean that FF does not change the quality of the image, is kept the same, only changes the DPI value that you can return back again to 300 DPI whithout any quality loss, unless you DO NOT USE RESAMPLE, so when loading the 72 dpi uncheck the resample checkbox or whatever is similar in the software you may be using

resizing images in photoshop

Apart from the thread above, there is another two threads in reference to this topic

FF is killing resolution (which As far as I know is wrong and does not kill it at all, just transform it)

BUT THE CONVERSION TO 72 DPI ONLY HAPPENS IN STANDALONE VERSION NOT WHEN USING FF AS PLUGIN

As I have put in this other thread

Why FF converts all the images to sRGB color space WITHOUT asking?

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TEST I MADE

I used the FF plugin version and using Photoshop I made 2 images from the filter, I saved one version directly from FF plugin and then after I clicked on "Apply" so the filter was applied to the image in the host software. The saved from FF was at 72 dpi/ppi, and the applied to host kept the 300dpi/ppi

WHAT I FOUND was a slighty change in colors between both versions, and I wondered why and discovered that the image that I applied the FF filter instead of saving kept the original color space and the one saved directly from FF has been converted without notice to sRGB!!!! smile:evil: smile:evil:

TO AVOID FF CONVERTING YOUR IMAGES USE IT AS A PLUGIN AND DO NOT SAVE THE IMAGE FROM FF DIRECTLY APPLY THEM TO THE ORIGINAL SOURCE IN THE HOST SOFTWARE
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Haras Arch
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I don't have Photoshop, so I can't run FF as a plugin. (I have Serif PagePlus, and I think I've read that one of the sister programs -- Draw or Photo -- can run FF as a plugin, but last time I asked on the board nobody replied that they had successfully used the two programs together.)

PhotoFiltre seems to automatically resample when one increases the DPI (there is a resample box that I can't uncheck; all I can do is change the type of resampling being done).

To make a very long story short, I have a black-and-white enlarged photographic copy of an old photograph. I scanned it and reduced the size to what I need (about 3 inches across).

But I thought it would look more old-timey if I used one of the sepia filters in FF on it, and, after trying many filters out, I found one that I like (Retro Color Multitone, if anyone is wondering).

So, what should I do? Should I get the super-sized original scan (which is off on a different computer) and try to run it through FF? Or should I take the smaller one, resize it to 300 DPI in PhotoFiltre, and hope for the best? It actually looks good to me, but I'm concerned that it might not print well.
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SpaceRay
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FF if used in windows OS has many different plugin hosts that are compatible and not only photoshop, so if you do not have photoshop there are many other software that you can use FF as a plugin also

To know the difference between standalone vs plugin version there is also this other thread

What are the differences between using FF as standalone and as plugin?
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Rachel Duim
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To simplify, the only true resolution of any graphic image is the image width and height. The DPI is just an instruction or advisement to the printer driver. Most printer drivers allow you to alter DPI at print time with options to change the size of the print (Fit to Page, % Scaling, etc).

Here is a helpful link about changing DPI.

GIMP is a good option for changing DPI (without re-sampling) and is a fine graphic application on multiple platforms. And it is free. Only downside, don't think you can use FF as a plugin with GIMP.
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Rachel Duim
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An update, at least on the Mac, the built in Preview command will allow you change DPI in graphic images. Do Tools / Adjust Size. Uncheck the resample box and change the DPI. Make sure you save the file when you are done.
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Rachel Duim
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And for Windows, quite a few solutions exist to change DPI without resampling:
http://superuser.com/questions/607663...f-an-image. paint.net looked like a good simple solution.
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Haras Arch
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I am using Windows. I downloaded GIMP, and it increased the DPI of the image (in fact, it said that it was 72 DPI and something like 13 inches, so it was simple to get to 300 DPI and 3 inches).

I inserted the new picture in to the PDF-in-the-making in PagePlus, and it looks fine (actually, I can't see any difference between it and the old image, but I can hopefully rest assured that it will print well).

Thank all of you that responded with your helpful solutions! And now I have a new program to try to figure out (I think I tried out GIMP several years ago, but haven't used it to speak of).
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Haras Arch
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Well, even with using GIMP for the one picture that I thought might be problematic and Serif PagePlus saying that all the picture elements were at 300 DPI or higher, the printer still flagged something as being low DPI. I am going to get a proof done and hopefully no problem will be noticeable to the eye.
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Skybase
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actually, I can't see any difference between it and the old image, but I can hopefully rest assured that it will print well.


You shouldn't be able to because they're the same image quality! Unless, that is, you resized the image. That will result in a noticeable quality difference.
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Haras Arch
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Hmm . . . I'm probably not stating something clearly (or I don't know something). For print, I needed an image that was approximately 3 inches across and 300 DPI (thus, it needed to be approx. 900 pixels across). I opened the image in FF, ran it through a filter, and saved the resulting image. When I opened it in PhotoFiltre Studio, it said it was now 72 DPI.

Now, here is where I may have gotten confused -- I thought it said that it was 72 DPI and still 900 pixels across, which I think wouldn't have printed well.

When I downloaded GIMP and opened the image, it allowed me to increase the DPI without resampling (I hope it worked; I followed directions I found online). Then I was back to 3 inches/900 pixels across and 300 DPI.

But I could be confused about how DPI works; I kind of ended up working with images by accident and am learning as I go along.
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Skybase
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But I could be confused about how DPI works; I kind of ended up working with images by accident and am learning as I go along.


Just confused about DPI works.

The idea is this: you got a printer that can output a specific number of dots within an inch. The higher the number, the more dots will be squeezed into that small 1 inch space, and hence the image size when printed becomes smaller. 72 DPI simply means the dots will be further apart and hence the image will print large.
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Haras Arch
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But if the dots are "further apart," the image will not look good when it is printed! I had this problem frequently when I was editing a local publication -- someone would send me a low quality picture (at a low DPI) and insist that it would have to be printed because that was all they had. I'd do the best I could with it, but the pixelated, blobby, blocky pictures that sometimes resulted were far, far from ideal.
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Skybase
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Exactly, in terms of "print quality" since the dots are further apart the output from the printer looks grainy or spotty. But the careful note here is that the image's pixel size remain the same unless you resize the image output to match the specific print quality you're aiming for.

I think an over simplified way to understand it is that DPI is like a little post-it note attached to an image that has numbers telling the printer what to do about how to print an image. The computer just gives out the instructions, "ok here's the pixel stuff, and the number of dots to cram within the space" and the printer says "Sure thing boss".
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Haras Arch
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If I do have an image that is at too low DPI AND too small in the dimensions -- say, 200 DPI and 2 inches/400 pixels across and I need 300 DPI and 4 inches/1200 pixels, is there a magic way to make that happen? And the resulting image look good in print? I've been able to "fudge" somewhat upon occasion but would like to do better.
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emme
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Saying a digital image is 2x2 inches at 200 DPI, or 4x4 inches at 100 DPI is a more complicated way of saying it is 400x400 pixels. It makes more sense to just talk about resolution (pixel count) as digital images do not have any physical dimensions or DPI. Like we've seen here, you can change the DPI of an image to anything, and the image will remain exactly the same. Sorry if I'm repeating what has already been said, just trying to make this clear. I guess you could think of DPI as the scale/size of the print and not as quality/resolution. Printing a 400x400 pixel image at any DPI will print the same image, just at a different size.

There is no magic way to generate 1200 pixels from 400 pixels - the point being that only image resolution matters here.
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Haras Arch
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The picture printed just fine smile:)
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