2.0 teaser?

Doesn't sound not-awesome to me!

Oh, Vlad, I think you're a Kung-Fu Master.

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Betis wrote: Doesn't sound not-awesome to me! Big grin

I'm with you on that one. Sounds awesome nonetheless!

Phew.
By using JPEG artifact pattern recognition and statistical probability based pixel restoration algorithms, combined with standard interface design analysis and advanced feature interpolators, I was able to recover Vladimir's original image of the new node:



I think v2.0 is well worth the wait.

lol. zoltan! boy, talk about wishful thinking

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Vladimir Golovin wrote: Well, I'm afraid we can't -- the first beta round won't include all planned features. We're planning about 5 beta rounds, and each of them will include its own batch of features.

So you'll have the beta-testers focus on a specific set of features in each beta round, and each new round will have additional features 'unlocked' for testing?

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ronjonnie wrote: Wonder IF we have any hope for even December sometime, OR, could it be sooner Vladimir?

My guess (with a little wishful thinking mixed in) is that we'll see the first beta round sometime in october, and that each round will last for about a month or so, depending on the severity of the bugs and the influx of bug reports.

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Vladimir Golovin wrote: I'll publish a list of related "open problems" and ask the community to help us solve them. Mostly, these open problems will be related to productization and UI.

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Vladimir Golovin wrote: I expect that bugs won't be a problem. Most problems will be UI-related, i.e. "How can we make feature X usable and newbie-friendly?"

The UI always struck me as functional yet very rigid (read: non-configurable). Now, I'm blissfully unencumbered when it comes to programming and GUI design, so please pardon my uninformed ramblings, but it always appeared to me that the original approach to designing the UI was to have it pretty much 'hard-coded' and 'nailed-down-exactly' from the start.

Obviously, there is no need for a very specialized application like FF to go for a completely open and redesigneable UI (like Luxology's modo, for example), but IMHO the overall UI handling should feel a little more 'loose' to allow users more room for refurnishing their 'filter labs'.

So, my question is: In the long-term, will there be a move towards a more fluid UI that users can reshape to fit their workflows, hopefully with an infrastructure behind it that allows for incorporating user requests and new features more easily?

Or will the new beta focus on distilling -- by trial and fire -- another 'hard-coded' and 'nailed-down-exactly' UI design that happens to fit exactly the needs of the expanded feature set of v2?

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I expect that bugs won't be a problem. Most problems will be UI-related, i.e. "How can we make feature X usable and newbie-friendly?"

i think, dilla, that the above may be why the UI isnt a bit more flexible. vlad has always stated he wants things understandable by new folks. so, i'm guessing it's going to be a choice between being easy/intuitive to being more flexible. the point is, the more options you add, the more complex things get and the less 'newbie friendly' a thing gets... in most cases, i would think.

now me, i want options! i want a tabbed GUI and a file manager and the kitchen sink and... but it has to be user-friendly

probably get shot down for this but maybe there should be a new category for new people experimenting with FF and if their filter goes HU or medium usage it then gets moved over to the main categories? That way new people get to have input on their filters with out the main library getting flooded?



And yes I know I created and submitted some newbie filters that I should look at sometime

Just to keep on subject

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Zoltan Erdokovy wrote: +1 for more flexible UI.

I like new functions (even if I wouldn't know what to do with it to start with)

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Kraellin wrote: i think, dilla, that the above may be why the UI isnt a bit more flexible. vlad has always stated he wants things understandable by new folks. so, i'm guessing it's going to be a choice between being easy/intuitive to being more flexible. the point is, the more options you add, the more complex things get and the less 'newbie friendly' a thing gets... in most cases, i would think.

The UI can easily be made more flexible and yet stay intuitive and newbie-friendly.

For example: One of the first things I did inside the Filter Editor was to click-drag on the dividers framing the preview window in an attempt to resize it to fit my needs. Sadly I was out of luck, and I found that everything was locked into place.

So, by making the UI more 'fluid' I do not mean making everything completely undockable and free-floating. I'm just saying it should be less locked down to a single pre-planned layout that was deemed 'optimal'. People have different preferences as to what is optimal for their style of working, so a somewhat adaptable UI is a must.

Furthermore, my post really wasn't meant as a feature request, but rather as a question as to which course Vlad is laying in for the future of the UI: Will we head towards a more changeable UI or towards another pre-planned 'optimal' layout updated for the additional v2 features?

How many people in this thread remember the days of the right-to-left connection flow, with no way to reverse it? Just to note we have been making things more flexble

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Kraellin wrote: How many people in this thread remember the days of the right-to-left connection flow, with no way to reverse it?

Ah! Those days were painful indeed!

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Kraellin wrote: that was gmm's quote, dilla. that seems to happen a lot with quotes and i dont just mean you. why does that do that?

We be watin to hear.

Those must have been some hard times!

But we KNOW that better days are coming!

Ron

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ronjonnie wrote: That's easy to do ... just click on the quote link above the post and it's attributed to someone else, as I just did here. And below.

ah, ok. i see now.

He was using it on purpose ron, hehe.

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Betis wrote: Quote He was using it on purpose ron, hehe. Betis wrote: And you can reverse the formatting as well. Or have people say things they never said ... Quote GMM & Crapadilla sang together in a tenor voice Today filters, tomorrow the world!

Meta-quoting?

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Betis wrote: Betis wrote: Quote He was using it on purpose ron, hehe. Betis wrote: And you can reverse the formatting as well. Or have people say things they never said ... Quote GMM & Crapadilla sang together in a tenor voice Today filters, tomorrow the world!

Right.

Ron

It was OCTOBER fool! Your mind is bending time subconciously because it is so eager for it!

ok, where's the bloody drool smiley?

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Vladimir Golovin wrote: Regarding the overall progress: everything is (almost) well on track for an early October beta. The end is nigh.

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Kraellin wrote: ok, where's the bloody drool smiley?

Bring it on!

Ron

Better days are commin!

Ron

That list made me nostalgic. I haven't seen Uber forever. Maybe with the beta we will see him more frequently.

My real name is actually "Steviejizov"......so where do I sign up??? ...