Is FF Inc. making something for FF 4.0 to have a FASTER render engine?

Vlad is the big cheese at FF and I'm sure he could address some of these concerns.

I can bug him if you guys would like me to...

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"About 99% of the filters in the library are completely useless.." smile:evil:

Agreed

Sorry, I am not going in any way against GMM, he is good and help us as much as he can, BUT the problem is that he must follow the FF team rules, and so he CAN´T do what he wants, so if he can´t help us on this topic of this thread because the FF team does not give him the needed information or what to do, he is forced to act like this thread is invisible and do not exist, isnot his fault, is from the FF team.

SpaceRay is looking for his Deep Throat.

Interesting discussion...

Since FF is procedural, a software accelerator is possible...but unlikely FF will invest in the programming needed to create one... Think FF will remain the same...and more likely to make adjustments to take advantage of new and faster processors...and more cores in the future...

+1 ...on no quality control...and wayyyyy too many useless filters... FF wants the number of filters as a selling point...obviously...

+1 ...on using FF to create base images with Substance Designer...excellent complimentary combo...

+1 ...on positive and negative feedback affecting sales...guilty of alot of negatives myself...and has been for things towards my own self-interests...but also think my "complaints" would benefit FF if as well...if they were ever addressed...

+1 ...on sending Uber to bug them...

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Skybase wrote: lol what are you trying to do? Make people leak info?

NO, just a very simple and very short word

YES or NO

Do not want to get the details, just the answer to question of this thread.

If you read well the question on the title I am not asking how they are going to make it or get more details about it

JUST SIMPLY YES OR NO

If the answer is NO, anything else is totally useless.

lol ok spaceray. ok.

There is no fight because there is no oponent, as GMM will not answer in this thread, and even if it happens that miracle, I would not fight at all, just ask for a YES or NO.

I woud bet and think that the most possible answer is NO, Why? Because if the FF team avoids to answer in this thread is because they are not doing something to make FF faster, or they want to do it but can´t do it because in the way FF was built, and so they can´t give an answer, and if they say yes and can´t really make it would be bad.

If it was clear that they ARE doing something positive and reaching good results for making a faster FF 4.0 they would not have a problem to say a YES, but they are hiding from any answer, so most probably is NO BUT they do not want to say it so there is still the doubt and possible hope.

Darn, I waited 9 days for a response! Man I get so much nothing on this forum! LOL. One of these days. ahaha.

There is ONE problem with Substance Designer that is an absolute deal breaker: The largest image that can be rendered is 4096x4096.

http://support.allegorithmic.com/docs...Dialog.htm

Scroll to bottom to see:
"Cooking size limit" defines the maximum pixel resolution permitted. By default, this is 4096 pixels. As a Substance's output is always square, the value set here defines both the maximum width and height, in pixels.

I guess the saying "Nobody's perfect" goes for software too

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Please, I want to know if the FF Inc. is working on the development of a optimized and better render engine that could process the filters faster than what is available in FF 3.0.

Alas, the situation on this front hasn't changed much. The most viable way to speed up the renderer at this point would be to rewrite it to use a GPU-supporting architecture, but the existing codebase is built around the CPU paradigm, so a straight port is extremely difficult. I posted about this before.

We experimented with GPUs, observed insane gains in performance on some tasks, but we decided not to pursue this approach. Basically it would mean rewriting the renderer from scratch, plus we'd likely encounter big, really big problems with backward compatibility.

If we started writing Filter Forge today, or a couple of years ago, we'd certainly build it to utilize GPUs. This would also work for a separate product that doesn't have to maintain compatibility with Filter Forge (that is, being able to render its filters from all versions down to v 1.0).

High five.

Good to hear that there may be some use of GPUs in the future.

I would like to thank you for taking the time to explain some of the complexities of adding GPU support. It's important to hear fr om the team wh ere things are going

Thanks very much for answering in this thread and good to know that there is possibly some slightly hope on GPU acceleration.

Although I thank you for answering and giving all this comments you have put, I am sorry to bother you and say that you really have NOT answered to the question in the title of this thread.

Please, could you tell if there is any possible plan about this for FILTER FORGE 4.0 ?

Is FF Inc. making something for FF 4.0 to have a FASTER render engine?

I am NOT speaking here about GPU at all, I mean ANY way that you could think of to make FF 4.0 faster than FF 3.0

lolol where's the popcorn?!! I'll be sitting in the back row enjoying the thread. lolol

Shhhhh patients spaceray, 4.0 is around the block. We'll find out soon enough.

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Morgantao wrote: I forbid FF 4.0 beta coming out, untill I have enough HU points to upgrade!

Since the release of the Beta there has been between 6 and 9 months until the final release version, so probably if your filters are used much you could have time to get the HU points, OR even better make a new (or more)awesome and very useful filter that many people would love to use and get those wanted HU rewards

see this thread for more information of the release dates of the betas and final versions

http://www.filterforge.com/forum/read...5&TID=9638

I mean, this is actually a really really deep topic of how you output data in a visual form. The current blog article I'm writing (which is longer than I imagined) touches on topics regarding rendering in the most general manner possible. Hopefully some of the little things I'll go over will be helpful in saving tons of time from a single render.

And SpaceRay, I highly doubt there will be something that can beat FilterForge in the next couple years. This is one solid piece of software that has more functionality than anything I ever used in a long long time. Back in the old days KAI's Power Tools was "the thing" for the Photoshop market now the market's mildly shifted but this software's basically "the thing." There's something special about this software and maybe you haven't seen the crazier things you can achieve with this software that most others won't even deal with.

See the thing is, you'll see software that's FASTER than this program, but when it comes to the amount of stuff you can do, FilterForge usually wins by a long shot. And I mean it, I've dug through hundreds of similar, procedural-networking graphics tools out there and while I continue to use many of them, FilterForge is the number one weapon of choice when it comes to rapid tool development or image generation. Sure there are tons of things this program can't do but it's much much better and easier than the rest of the gang.

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Vladimir Golovin wrote: For FF4.0, no.

WOW!! I finally after so much time I have a real and useful answer so I do not keep bothering and annoying all the forum with the same topic

You see, it was not so difficult to answer to the title question.

Now I know it and will not keep asking for it anymore.

Thanks very much for telling it and also explaining why, very good to know.

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Vladimir Golovin wrote: The current CPU-based renderer and most components are already optimized to their limit, so trying to optimize them further will push us beyond the point of diminishing returns. All possible improvements I mentioned in this thread are long-term plans.

Thanks and good to know that we can´t expect any kind of speed optimization of the render speed as it is already maximum optimized.

Good work, Xirja. Very nice filter.
It also seems fast. The rendering time is only 58 seconds.

This is also why I love Filter Forge. It is so useful in Photoshop.

I should have posted this in my previous post. Here is how I use FF and Photoshop. I have a lot of self made tutorials to remind me of how to use them together. I use the Angel Blur filter to create a very soft effect for roses. I start out with a flower with a background that has been masked so the image is smooth pastel throughout. You need to keep a copy of the orig under this layer that is being changed.

I didn't alter the Angel Blur filter. No need to. It is a perfect filter.