2.0 teaser?

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I can read the word "script" clearly!

Ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease.

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Vladimir Golovin wrote: You've interpreted it exactly backwards

well, that figures. lol.

script input button... hmmm, so you'r allowing photoshop actions/scripts to be inputted into FF? (or have i got this exactly backwards again? ).

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Kraellin wrote: so you'r allowing photoshop actions/scripts to be inputted into FF? (or have i got this exactly backwards again?

I'm guessing it's LUA scripts, but I'm hoping Python!

ok, i looked it up. god, i hate wiki. so, it's a scripting language. i'll leave it at that.

Hopefully a LOT more components. I want to want a search bar for them. And I know they have to stick to one of their loose self-rules: to not make a component out of something else you can already make it out of. I think it's something like that. Maybe we should get out own noise maker!

Once the V2 beta is out, will anyone who gets a license for V1 after that point get the V2 upgrade for free ? Or will they still need to pay the upgrade cost ? Ie = the typical "grace" period for when a new version comes out right after someone buys a previous version etc. And of course FF is under no obligation to offer free anything other than bug fixes for the current version (which in the case of V1 they have done rather diligently, if slowly, but they have for V1 in my opinion) I'm just asking.

jffe

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Beliria wrote: Plus getting curious as to if we will have some new components to play with

We already know that there'll be bomber components, math components and script components, eh?

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Betis wrote: And I know they have to stick to one of their loose self-rules: to not make a component out of something else you can already make it out of. I think it's something like that.

Personally, I'd like to see the the "generality rule" bent a little in favor of "convenience" components. For example: We can do polar-coordinate transformations with the current toolset ('Spherify' snippet), but a component specifically optimized for that purpose would be terrific. The same goes for non-seamless scaling and rotation operations, etc. Basically, these new components should replace all the often-used snippets simply because they are faster and make for cleaner filter trees.

What I don't like to see is out-of-the-box grouped components for these functionalities, i.e. just taking snippets and collapsing them into a container component, but that's just my preference. We'll have to see which solution Vlad leans towards.

I see what you mean Dilla, I hope they do that too.

A random list of Node-Based programs compared with scripting features if FilterForge were to implement.

This actually reminds me of one of Apple's developer software called Quartz Composer. In version 3.0, Quartz Composer has a Java function that you can write your own tiny components in.

In Reaktor 5, Native Instruments introduced CORE, the deepest end of Reaktor programming nodes. CORE is like bending circuits. It's amazingly flexible, simple, but hard to understand.

In Maya, they have MEL and Python so nobody ever has to worry. Maya has a component-based interface.

In Artmatic Pro, there are grouped components and they have like 400 components anyway so they don't ever have to worry about scripting features. Besides it works in an odd way.

In MAX/MSP/JITTER/VVVV ... they have like enough programming bits to actually do everything. In fact the nodes make up scripts anyway.

In Houdini Master Edition, you have thousands of nodes to play with, thousands of nodes to connect around. You can make your own programs for it as well.

In Blender they have crazy loads of components that do image processing like the ones in FilterForge, they also have scripting, but not exactly similar to Quartz Composer scripting blocks.

In Apple Shake 4.0 and Color 1.5, the nodes are strictly for image processing, you have no scripting features, but the amazing thing is that they all work nicely together anyway. So you never need scripting features.

In The Foundry - Nuke, you already have tons of image processing components, and they work together, so no need for scripting components.

In Terragen 2, they have fractal components that do things you'd expect. They have no need for a scripting feature.

In Genetica... they're in on a different planet when it comes to nodes.

AND FINALLY IN FILTERFORGE 2.0, math, Bombers, macros, scripts? + more. Actually FilterForge is one of those programs I can trust for a clean, minimalist interface. The programs mentioned above, not including some, have confusing interfaces. The strongest feature of FilterForge is that its "clean" compared to many environments. It also works like a charm. So yah. I'm drooling.

We've started to tighten up the code and the launch plan for the first round of beta 2.0. Here's a (slightly retouched) glimpse of what you'll be getting your hands on:

Looks like it could be the feared Ãœber-height-render, perfect for making alps, or it can also be the digital pizza slice filter to slice your image in movable versatile slices, so far, I can not really tell from the picture

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Vladimir Golovin wrote: Here's a (slightly retouched) glimpse

Is that the bomber node?

All the map (green) inputs would be the offsets, rotations, scaling, frequency, distribution, opacity. (there'd be a lot a map inputs on a bomber.)

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Vladimir Golovin wrote: We've started to tighten up the code and the launch plan for the first round of beta 2.0. Here's a (slightly retouched) glimpse of what you'll be getting your hands on:

I like the smell of that!

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Vladimir Golovin wrote elsewhere: some of the new features we're planning require significant infrastructural reworking.

So the infrastructural reworking is mostly done, I presume?! How are the chances for an early-octoberish beta start?

Also, if that's a Bomber component up there (which I guess it is), it has grown significantly more versatile compared to Vlad's old design:

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Particle Noise: Map Component -- Particle: color map -- Background: color map -- Size: grayscale map -- Stretch: grayscale map -- Angle: grayscale map -- Opacity: grayscale map -- Density: grayscale map -- Roughness: grayscale map -- Details: slider -- Fill Mode: combobox -- Variation: random seed

Just look at the insane amount of control inputs in that "slightly re-touched" example (an amount similar to the noise components we already know)!

Can't wait to get my hands on it!

Since Vlad obviously decided to allow 'uber-tall' components in the editor, that would also mean the chances for a more versatile Multiblend (and similar things) have become significantly better.

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Kraellin wrote: multiblend with modes for each layer? you're dreaming, dilla Wink 20 green nodes and 8 grays... i'd say bombers is a good chance.

Yup, I also think the image Vlad posted shows a bomber. Nevertheless, the abundance of inputs makes a multiblend with modes for each layer appear to be much more of a possibility now (not that I'd particularly want one though).

They were probably playing around with it, and took a snapshot, then edited out the names, nodes, wires, and component preview. I still think it's a real (and soon to be awesome) component.

Do we have a release date?
We are all dying to get our hands on this NEW ugraded version!

Ron

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Redcap wrote: I am pretty sure it isn't even a real component because it is missing the awesome exclamation mark of doom that we all love so dearly.

I edited it out

(Actually, the component simply doesn't have required inputs.)

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Vladimir Golovin wrote: As usual, can't promise anything, but said chances are pretty good.

That's the part we are all looking forward to!

Ron

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Vladimir Golovin wrote: [...] we'll be 100% busy with the proper productization of major new features.

To recapitulate, major new features are rumored to be:

- Bombers (i.e. particle components)
- Shapes
- Math components with unclamped output (the major reason for the infrastructural revamp, AFAIK ---> i.e. getting HDR ready!)
- local filter search
- grouping of components in the editor

plus onyXMaster's favorite:

- soft shadows for surface type filters (possibly ambient occlusion?)

Can we say "AWESOME OCTOBER" together!

Clicky!

And yep, I think shapes are pretty much confirmed since they go along with bombers perfectly!



The one thing I'd like to see confirmed for v2 are user-defined 'My Filters' folder trees. Man, it's sure getting crowded in my one lab folder.