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Vladimir Golovin
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uberzev wrote:
I like that idea ssamm. Something like "digg" would be interesting.


The problem with Digg is that it is biased towards the opinion of the hardcore diggers, the most vocal minority.
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Crapadilla
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Vladimir Golovin wrote:
Such systems are easily spammable by spawning multiple accounts and using them to vote.


These hypothetical 'paying customer' accounts could be linked to license IDs. That way, only one account per purchased version could be created and used for voting, and trial users would be excluded.

The question then is what happens when a customer purchases more than one license. Apart from the FF team cheering in the back, would he get more votes?
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Vladimir Golovin
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Crapadilla wrote:
These hypothetical 'paying customer' accounts could be linked to license IDs.


A paying customer account contains real-world personally-identifiable info, and we will need to look up what exactly our privacy policy says about storing and using such data -- can't remember all this stuff now, I forgot it immediately after we finished it.

But I like the idea.
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James
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Yes, our current plan is that everyone who signed up for this beta will be automatically signed up for future betas. Plus there will be an ability to join as a beta tester for new users.


Cool thats great news, i hope my filters and suggestions have helped, FF just keeps getting better smile:D
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Crapadilla
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Vladimir Golovin wrote:
But I like the idea.


That's good to read. I imagine a customer-based voting system could be another sturdy leg to support the reward system as a whole. It could serve to counter-balance the system by rewarding the more specialized or esoteric high-quality 'gems' in the library, which lag behind in 'usage rank' because of their specialization or narrow applicability.

Categories for voting could include:

'Snippet of the Month'
(awarded for introducing innovative or interesting techniques to the community)
'Technical Brilliance Award'
'Artistic Achievement Award'
'Most Inventive Filter'
'Crafty Bastard Award'
(for solving filter problems thought to be very difficult or unsolvable) smile:D
'Best Specialized Effect'
'Best Specialized Texture'
'Effect of the Month'
'Texture of the Month'

etc...

Another thing to consider would be monthly filter challenges. Winning filters could earn their authors a reward.
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John Michaud
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Crapadilla wrote:
Another thing to consider would be monthly filter challenges. Winning filters could earn their authors a reward.


Just about every 2D/3D art forum i have ever visited hosts weekly/monthly challenges and the results are almost always nice. I think it would go far to help the quality of the filter library to continue upwards. Plus i think it would help the "word of mouth"
marketing of FF if the really sweet filters created from said challenges popped up for display in other art forums.

And im all for rewards for specialized filters, as i see a lot of really nice looking filters that may not serve any grand purpose other than to be customizable eye candy. smile:D
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Kraellin
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careful now... i do a lot of that "customizable eye candy" smile;)
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John Michaud
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Kraellin wrote:
careful now... i do a lot of that "customizable eye candy"

And what do i do?

"wink wink, nudge nudge."

smile:D
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Kraellin
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hehe smile:)
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Crapadilla
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And still there definitely isn't enough candy... smile;)
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Crapadilla
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Vladimir Golovin wrote:
this beta has been extremely successful so far, definitely a 'what went right' thing.


Just finished a long overdue complete filter library browsing session... and oh my! smile:angel: smile:D

When I look at all the content value that this beta has generated sort of alongside the bug-hunting, I'd say it's been all the more successful. There are already so many filters living up to and even surpassing what the competition rides into battle, it's mind-boggling. You gotta give a 'hats off' to the devs for implementing the reward system right from the start to build up this amount of content for the final release.
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jffe
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A reward system does help "drive" the thing, but a somewhat open/lax demo period has probably helped too. There is a point at which the beta/demo becomes old news, and I'd say they're more than straddling that line currently, (ie = release this beast already ha-ha), but yeah, it is building up content meanwhile.

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Grange
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The programme is I agree underpriced compared to some, but I would say that it is priced at a level to get people onboard. I have enjoyed using the software, but I am not going to go flat out in the hope of getting a free copy. I will use it to the limits of what I do, I will try and design filters, but I haven't yet needed to create a special filter for anything I am working on.
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Crapadilla
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jffe wrote:
There is a point at which the beta/demo becomes old news [...] release this beast already ha-ha


True. Get this thing out already and start with the next beta, hehe. I want to get my hands on all the new stuff, like bombers for example.
smile:dgrin:

But most likely, that will have to wait a year or so...
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jffe
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It seems like they've more or less said it's going to be released Macrh 1st no ? The current beta expires end of Feb. and I'd swear they said this is the last beta, so....

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Crapadilla
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jffe wrote:
they've more or less said it's going to be released Macrh 1st no ?


Yes. Release has been announced for first quarter 2007. We're just waiting for the help wiki to be finished (and maybe some bugs to be squished).

I was just prematurely speculating about the start of the next major release beta though, which will certainly include more neat stuff to play around with. Just can't wait! smile:D
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Crapadilla wrote:
I was just prematurely speculating about the start of the next major release beta though, which will certainly include more neat stuff to play around with.


----Oh, o.k., well, yer way ahead of me then, I'm barely 1/4 of my way into this version ha-ha. smile:D

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Crapadilla
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jffe wrote:
yer way ahead of me then


There's still a lot to discover about the toolset, I suspect. And I don't think anyone can boast about having exhausted it yet... smile;)

However, I already have so many filter ideas for the particle bomber tool alone it's driving me mad.

smile:bunny: smile:bunny: smile:bunny:
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Kraellin
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i hear that version 8 of FF makes its own filters. you turn on your computer, double click the icon and it re-writes your o/s as a dedicated filter maker. it then logs into the filter library and several other databases across the web, extrapolates need based on what it finds, writes the filter and uploads it to the library. the only input the user needs do is set a 'seed' and let it run smile:)
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Crapadilla
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Crapadilla remembers that he wrote:
[...] it's driving me mad.


Apparently, I am not alone in my torment... smile:dgrin: smile:dgrin: smile:dgrin:
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Vladimir Golovin
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jffe wrote:
A reward system does help "drive" the thing, but a somewhat open/lax demo period has probably helped too.


We plan to continue this tradition -- our trial period will be 90-day long.
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Crapadilla
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Three cushions already... that's almost too comfy... smile:D smile:D smile:D
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CFandM
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Crapadilla wrote:
Three cushions already


hehe Maybe this should be part of a ranking system..."I give that filter Four out of Five Cushions" smile:D
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Crapadilla
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Hehe...

"I'd give that filter three sofas, two cushions, eight plants and seven ceiling lights, for a total coziness rating of 3.287!"
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Ken
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I should have built that into my Speed Meter smile:D

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Kraellin
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and dont forget, all filters have to be run by and approved by 'the queen' smile:)
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Crapadilla
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Kraellin wrote:
and dont forget, all filters have to be run by and approved by 'the queen' Smile


Got anyone particular in mind for that 'position'? smile:D
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Kraellin
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oh come on, dilla; you've been around long enough to know 'the FF queen' smile:)
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Crapadilla
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Ah, now that you mention it... smile;)
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Kraellin
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hehehe smile:)
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ssamm
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Re: Reward System

I was thinking that someone who wants to earn a high-usage on his own filter (to win a reward) might try to use his own filter a lot just to sway the statistics. So maybe it might be a good idea to disqualify or limit the count from an author's own usage? (If something like this isn't already there.)


Another thought is if someone uses a filter for animation, that filter may get used a ton. (e.g. 30 times for one second of film.) Maybe this is okay -- but if it seems to give a skewed representation of what most the people want/use, an idea here might be to have a max limit from a single user per day or something?


Just some ideas -- I'm hesitant to mention them for fear of inspiring abusers... (So I won't mind if someone from FF reads this and erases my post.)


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Torley
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@ssamm: I have a feeling the Filter Forge team have taken this into consideration beforehand to deter gaming of the system (including unique IPs?), but I'll wait for official commentary.
I'm enjoying using Filter Forge to create http://torley.com/textures
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