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Totte
Übernerd

Posts: 1460
Filters: 107
I have a gazillion filters (104 I think) uploaded but I've been editing filters for PBR, and also editing and tweaking existing filters from other filter weavers.

So, the question of moral. Is it bad from a filter making moral standpoint to upload an updated filter crated by someone else? I know that was common in the early days, when we all were padwans (except Dilla), but now? It's all about being lazy and not wanna "redo" the core stuff, just update filters which are decent, and make the awesome smile;-)
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Ramlyn
Ramlyn

Posts: 2930
Filters: 691
I think that using part or a whole filter to make a new filter is ok.
Anybody can download the filters from the library for free, then, even we copy something from another author, he doesn't lose anything. And he can also do the same with your filters.

I understand what you mean about "redo" the core.
For example, we want to make a mosaic on a cement wall.
The cement wall is not the main part of the filter. It is already available on the library. Then it looks easier if we use that cement wall filter for the wall, and we dedicate our time to make a good mosaic instead.

Other times we may see a filter and think "Very nice. But... I would change this and that...". Then finally it becomes a completely new filter, even if the core was made by somebody else.

As for me, you are free to use any of my filters (there are 410 now) to create new ones.
I'm happy if they can be useful and you post your new filters in the library, because I also can download and use them. smile:D smile:D smile:D
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Rachel Duim
So Called Tortured Artist

Posts: 2498
Filters: 188
I’m coming in with “only” 99 smile;-) I try to mention the original author in the filter notes when appropriate. I feel that sharing recognition in a filter encourages others to release more filters and share ideas.
Math meets art meets psychedelia.
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SpaceRay
SpaceRay

Posts: 12298
Filters: 35
I think that it is ok and right to take a filter that is already made and make it even better and awesome as you say, specially if it to add something that was not available when the filter was published, I mean the PBR, and it would be really great idea to update many of the filters available to be able to use the new PBR, it would be really useful and interesting

I agree with what Ramlyn and Rachel have said, and if you use a filter of someone else, is good that you mention and give credit at the end of the description if you use a big part or the whole filter

What is not good from point of view is to take a filter and change it slightly with something that is not worthy and useful and then publish it again with your name
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Totte
Übernerd

Posts: 1460
Filters: 107
Hi,

thanks a lot for the replies. I've done most of my filters 2008-2012 or something.

The next real dilemma is, if that filter was released a while back, but still sits in average usage, making a better version from it feels like stealing his/her possible future HU.
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Ramlyn
Ramlyn

Posts: 2930
Filters: 691
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SpaceRay wrote:
What is not good from point of view is to take a filter and change it slightly with something that is not worthy and useful and then publish it again with your name

Yes, I agree. I saw somebody doing it. Doing like that they only create a copy of the previous filter, adding nothing useful in the library.

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Totte wrote:
The next real dilemma is, if that filter was released a while back, but still sits in average usage, making a better version from it feels like stealing his/her possible future HU.

If a filter is new, it starts like Average. It may become Low or High Rank or stay as Average depending on the use. Then the beginning (the first months, or maybe the first year) there are really chances that making a filter that is very similar, the original filter will not go up of rank. This happens because the beginning many people test that filter.
But after longer time it is more difficult that making a similar filter may influence the rank of the original one, because less people will use it anyway.
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SpaceRay
SpaceRay

Posts: 12298
Filters: 35
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Totte wrote:
The next real dilemma is, if that filter was released a while back, but still sits in average usage, making a better version from it feels like stealing his/her possible future HU.


Well, if you are worried of this, if you know how to modify and make better a filter that is new, then the author is actively using FF now, so you could contact the author and tell that you have a way to modify and make it better in some way and that you could ask to send it to the author and so it can publish the updated version, or ask if you are allowed to publish yourself the updated version, so this way you are not feeling that are you are stealing anything, is the author who decides what he may want to do with your possible update suggestion

I agree with Ramlyn, that if the filter is still average and it has more than 6 or 9 months, there is much less options that it becomes a future HU, although as said, you could contact the author if wanted
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jffe
Posts: 2869
Filters: 90
Did they ever 'fix it', so that when you modify an existing filter the creator still gets the credit for it's use ? Not to be a jerk about it, but 90%+ of all filters either have too many controls (the most common problem, next to general uselessness) or not enough, to really make the best use of it - so I almost always make a modded version to actually use.

Like someone else said, 6-9 months down the road, it doesn't seem like a big deal to use some of the -guts- of someone else's filter. The 50% rule still applies though, ie = it should be half or more yours. And a credit in the description is always a good way to go.

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