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Hello, I am trying to use the Mac version of Filter Forge with Affinity Photo 1.7.1. The problem I am experiencing is the following:

In Affinity Photo, if I select an element in a layer, and then choose Filters/Filter Forge/Filter Forge, Filter Forge refuses to launch.

However, if I select a layer in Affinity Photo, but DON'T select a specific element in the layer, then Filter Forge will launch, and it will apply whatever effect I select. But, Filter Forge will apply the effect to the entire layer, and not just to the element in the layer.

I know that the Filter Forge staff and Affinity Photo staff have had some communication regarding these compatibility issues. Do you have any idea how soon Filter Forge will work properly in Affinity Photo?

By the way, Filter Forge continues to work fine in Adobe Photoshop CS6. I can select a specific element in a PS layer, and Filter Forge will apply the effect just to that element, and not to the entire layer. This is what I expect to happen. So why doesn't it work in Affinity Photo?

Thank you in advance.
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WordWeaver wrote:
By the way, Filter Forge continues to work fine in Adobe Photoshop CS6. ... So why doesn't it work in Affinity Photo?


You actually narrowed down the issue to the point: Affinity doesn't follow the Adobe SDK used for plug-ins. The 8BF plugin format was developed by Adobe, and all compatible host applications should conform to this standard. Serif needs to acknowledge the problem is on their side and fix their incompatibility.

Apart from that, we have never supported any host other than Photoshop under Mac. Instead of using a plugin, you may want to copy-paste your image from Affinity to Filter Forge and back.
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WordWeaver

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Thank you for your response. I appreciate it. I have just informed the Affinity Photo team of what you said. Hopefully, they will make the necessary code changes so that PS-compatible plugins will work better with Affinity Photo.
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peaches1001
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Hello WordWeaver,

If you isolate the element before adding the Filter, would that work or alternatively, can you place the element on its own layer?

I've just purchased FF, so I am still experimenting smile:)
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WordWeaver

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Hello Peaches. Thanks for your reply. I have discussed this issue with both the Filter Forge developers, and with folks on the Affinity Photo support board as well. The element on which I wish to apply a FF filter is in fact in its own layer.

While FF works great, and as expected, in Adobe Photoshop, it has now been clearly established that due to a PARTIAL implementation of Adobe's plugins SDK in Affinity Photo, it is simply not possible to select an element in a layer in Affinity Photo, and apply a FF affect to it.

As I have already stated, if I select an element in a layer in Affinity Photo -- as opposed to selecting the entire layer -- FF will NOT even launch. In contrast, if I don't select the element in the layer, FF will launch, but it will apply the effect to the entire layer, which is obviously not what I want to happen.

Sadly, it appears that the Affinity Photo team does not have a lot of motivation for fixing this issue regarding Photoshop-compatible plugins. In fact, I have been told that they are in the process of developing their own plugin system for Affinity Photo. Whether or not it will make Photoshop plugins completely compatible, remains to be seen. But I suspect not.

BTW, NONE of my Photoshop plugins work 100% with Affinity Photo, which is really the deal-breaker for me, insofar as switching to Affinity Photo is concerned.
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peaches1001
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Hello WordWeaver,
Thank you for the info.
Ironically, I have just been having issues with Affinity Photo & FF8.
I have all 3 Affinity products and when Publisher is open you can use both the other two within Publisher. So, I was trying to add a filter when in the Photo option & using FF 8. But first of all, it wasn't even showing so couldn't add anything. So tried adding a filter just by using Photo but at first, it was greyed out and then when it did work, the filter didn't appear when I applied it and went back to Photo. Then, when I went to the webpage, Photo just shut itself down and did it 3 more times. So, obviously, there is an issue with FF8 & Photo but it does say when downloading FF 8, that the filters work in Photo. That was one of the reasons I purchased it.
I sent in a Bug report to Serif, so will wait to see if anything is actioned.
I must admit, I am really disappointed to find that they don't work well together.
So like you, I am having issues. smile:(
I am now seriously considering getting a different Filter software or else getting the Photoshop subscription.

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WordWeaver

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Peaches, I don't have any experience with Serif's other two products. I only began testing Affinity Photo about ten days ago.

Just to be clear, the problem is NOT with Filter Forge. As I said, it works great in Adobe Photoshop CS6. The problem, as far as I can tell, and as far as I have been led to believe, is with Serif's products, because they have not fully implemented Adobe's plugin architecture, and may possibly never do so.

Regarding Adobe Photoshop, I last purchased CS6 a number of years ago, and I have been using it ever since, because like many other users, I have refused to bite the bullet and purchase an annual subscription for Adobe Photoshop CC.

However, with all of the problems that Affinity Photo has with Adobe-compatible plugins, and with macOS Catalina coming out in a few months, I am really down to two options:

1. Stay with macOS Mojave where Photoshop CS6 continues to work.
2. Upgrade to Catalina and pay for Adobe's annual subscription.

I know a lot of graphic artists find themselves in the very same situation.
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peaches1001
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Hi WordWeaver,

You say the issue isn't with Affinity but surely, if Filter Forge want their software to be compatible with other software i.e. they want people to buy FF8 to be able to you with photo manipulation software, then isn't it up to them to ensure their software works with the major players? Otherwise, if it doesn't, wouldn't that mean that those main players start bringing their own Plugins for their customer to use, thereby reducing the customer base for FF?

I like some of the FF filters but they only save or use raster images and not Vector, (unless that's something I haven't found yet), so there is an avenue they could improve upon.

I'm just about to do a 7 day trial of Photoshop, to see if it's worth the monthly fee.
How easy is it to use, as you've been a long term user? smile:)
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WordWeaver

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Peaches, it seems that you may have misread what I wrote. I did NOT say that the issue is not with Affinity Photo and Serif. In fact, I said the exact opposite. I said that the problem IS with Serif and Affinity Photo, because Serif has not made their product fully Adobe plugin compatible.

Adobe is THE major player in the world of computer graphics. That is why so many plugin developers learn how to make their plugins compatible with Adobe products. Adobe is their "golden goose" so-to-speak.

As I said, Filter Forge is a perfectly-working plugin when it comes to Adobe compatibility. The reason why it -- and other plugins I use -- do not work with Affinity Photo, is because Serif hasn't fully implemented the Adobe plugin architecture in Affinity Photo. Until they do that, there is NOTHING that the Filter Forge developers -- or any other Adobe-compatible plugin developers -- can do, so that their plugins will function properly in Affinity Photo. The onus is on Serif. So I think you've got it wrong. Serif is the one who is not willing to play ball.
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peaches1001
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Hi WordWeaver,
No, I didn't misunderstand what you wrote, I just misspelt the word isn't, it should have read is. My apologies for confusing you smile:)
Yes, I get what you say about Adobe being the main Player as far as Plugins go; so hopefully Serif will do something soon to address this issue.
But having said that, Serif completely rewrote the engine for their software, so perhaps they aren't going to follow the route of being Adobe's little friend and are going to stand on their own. Their software is good and far lower in price, so that might persuade many more people to migrate from Adobe; only time will tell, I suspect.
I like Illustrator & probably would like Photoshop but the cost is nagging at me.
Perhaps I should try and win a Lottery smile:)
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