tigerAspect |
This ... is really odd. There's certain filters that are just broken, others that are just messed up. Here's the default preset on Vintage Clay Tile (the Diffuse Map):
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Posted: May 3, 2010 7:47 am | ||
Carl
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Posted: May 3, 2010 8:34 am | ||
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Posted: May 3, 2010 10:24 am | ||
tigerAspect |
Totte's aged wooden floor is wrong, and I actually know why with this one: the remapper from the "Dirt brightness" to the Brightness value of the Brightness/Contrast node is somehow set to Min. 0 / Max. 0.
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Posted: May 3, 2010 10:38 am | ||
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Posted: May 3, 2010 10:41 am | ||
Totte
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Tiger I know what happened!
You are using FF2 Beta, there was a strange bug in Beta 3 that was hotfixed a few hours after the release, where settings IN filters were changed when a Filter was opened. What make me suspect that is that that was one of the issues I had, values "set" in the filter was randomly set to zero. // Totte - I never expected the Spanish inquisition |
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Posted: May 3, 2010 10:56 am | ||
tigerAspect |
Is there a different way to get the hotfix? I re-downloaded FF, re-installed, checked for updates in FF, deleted and re-downloaded your filter, and I'm still having the same issue. Do I need to completely delete FF before reinstalling? My version number is 2.005
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Posted: May 3, 2010 11:08 am | ||
Totte
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Strange, they hotfix was just the latest download. Check that you get the latest download and not just get a copy of the previous one from you cache, I don't know the actual build number for the hotfix for Windows (but GMM or Vlad might help you with that)
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Posted: May 3, 2010 11:50 am | ||
tigerAspect |
I'm on OS X
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Posted: May 3, 2010 1:27 pm | ||
Totte
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Same version as I have, no problems here though. I had to check with my ages wooden floor filter, then remapper is as it should be.
Goto ~/Library/Application Support/FilterForge 2/System/Library and manually remove "Library_7559-3.ffxml" (Which is my aged wooden floor filter), and download it again from the library. If it still fails, check any messages on "System messages.app" from FilterForge. - I never expected the Spanish inquisition |
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Posted: May 3, 2010 2:04 pm | ||
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Posted: May 3, 2010 2:56 pm | ||
Kraellin
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try doing a refresh of the various web pages. sometimes it's just a cache not being refreshed and not the actual filter.
If wishes were horses... there'd be a whole lot of horse crap to clean up!
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Posted: May 3, 2010 5:04 pm | ||
tigerAspect |
Nope, no change.
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Posted: May 3, 2010 5:51 pm | ||
BLUEFROG
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I'm not seeing any of these problems with these specific filters on OS X 10.5.8 [FF 2.005.16491.47410 Release-10.5].
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Posted: May 3, 2010 8:21 pm | ||
Kraellin
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how about the size slider? have you got that set down from max? and are these filters surface or simple? and if surface, have you turned on AO or set the height differently?
If wishes were horses... there'd be a whole lot of horse crap to clean up!
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Posted: May 3, 2010 9:54 pm | ||
Totte
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Tiger, looks like you are using the "old way" of library browsing.
Am I correct? Maybe that caches things somewhere else. I've never used that, only the web so I cannot tell. Switching over to test it. No, didn't screw anything up, but I found a few good filters I missed ![]() Mail me Tiger when you are online. I just cannot help myself, I love solving mysteries like this, I do that whenever I get a chance, I like sharpening my skills. - I never expected the Spanish inquisition |
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Posted: May 4, 2010 12:00 am | ||
tigerAspect |
Size slider is at max, they're a mix of Surface and Simple, using the default presets.
I've deleted and re-downloaded the filters at least 4 times using both the web interface and built-in filter browser. I'm convinced that this is a bug, because I distinctly remember rendering Cemetery Fence before with no problems. I'm using 10.6.3, if that makes a difference. |
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Posted: May 4, 2010 10:34 am | ||
tigerAspect |
One more thought, can someone toss me their working copy of one of the filters affected? I want to see where in the chain it's going wrong.
This is really wierd, FF is randomly, but consistently changing value set inside the filter, for Wood Fortres, there's a bunch of Bias and other Curves that have had their values set so that they are the same as Linear curves. |
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Posted: May 5, 2010 7:41 am | ||
Totte
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Posted: May 5, 2010 7:58 am | ||
tigerAspect |
Phew. Ok, THAT works. Freaky. If I download it, it's still wrong.
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Posted: May 5, 2010 1:57 pm | ||
tigerAspect |
I ran the 2 versions though diff, here's the results: broken Library download is first or "<", working is after or ">".
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url="http://www.code66.se/" description-en="A generator for worn, cracked and dirty wooden floors or walls.[br]Wood generator based on the filter Wood by Kochubey," keywords-en="floor, wood, wall, aged, old" update_notes-en="Changed to simple filter as the normal map didnt render at all, and the bumpmap wasn't really needed.[br]Thank sto KGtheway2B for the heads up.[br][br]History:[br]Changed the filter so it now can be placed in the building category." major_version="1" minor_version="17"/> [/code] |
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Posted: May 5, 2010 2:00 pm | ||
Totte
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That is weird, but my first suspicion still stands, the download is cached somewhere and whenever you download you end up getting something from that cache, or you have both the old and the new version of FF2 on the machine, and when you download, the wrong version is started and trash it.
- I never expected the Spanish inquisition |
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Posted: May 5, 2010 2:46 pm | ||
Kraellin
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it would seem to be something local to your machine, tiger. no one else is having this trouble. it could even be a hardware issue. i've had very screwy things start to happen when a motherboard, harddrive or video card starts to go bad. i dont mean to scare you; maybe all you have is the cache thing, but it could also be something in your anti-malware that's corrupting things or even packet losses or something along those lines. also, if you had a hard crash on your machine you may want to reinstall FF. sometimes programs get corrupted in hard crashes. it doesnt take much, sometimes. one bit in the wrong spot and poof, nothing works right. such is the life on a computer
![]() If wishes were horses... there'd be a whole lot of horse crap to clean up!
Craig |
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Posted: May 5, 2010 3:03 pm | ||
tigerAspect |
Freaking FINALLY! I had no idea FF even kept a cache of all the filters you've ever downloaded. So yeah, I emptied out that particular folder, re-downloaded the filters and everything's peachy.
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Posted: May 5, 2010 3:05 pm | ||
Kraellin
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ah, a happy ending. good
![]() If wishes were horses... there'd be a whole lot of horse crap to clean up!
Craig |
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Posted: May 5, 2010 3:17 pm | ||
Totte
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Good to hear Tiger!!
My first hunch was correct then ![]() - I never expected the Spanish inquisition |
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Posted: May 5, 2010 3:18 pm |
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