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rachelduim
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A philosophical discussion on image editors. I have been slowly moving over to GIMP for various reasons. The biggest reason: Adobe's greed. They want $240 a year for Photoshop CC AND you do not own the program. So the umbilical cord is never broken and they have you for life. In principal I do not agree with the subscription model for any program and will avoid it as much as I can. Other reasons: for the most part GIMP has equivalent commands that match Photoshop. It has been a pain to relearn, but I can not justify the cost. Was pleasantly surprised when I installed g'mic as a GIMP plugin and XQuartz on my Mac. The various tools in g'mic plus the GIMP builtin functions in many ways surpass Photoshop.

I understand that for many professionals, the need for Photoshop is absolute. Both from a production point of view and from a client base that demands the "known" quality of Photoshop. For a creative like myself, this is not necessary.

Another interesting point: Photoshop CS6 was partially disabled on my Mac a few months back when the online validation starting saying the product was "invalid". I knew this to not be true, bought a valid license. Through online research I was able to fix the problem, basically disabling the Adobe Genuine Integrity Service. I have also started to move away from Adobe's PDF products for the same reason since the "integrity service" is reinstalled if you use the Acrobat reader. I'm using Foxit for now. More greed from Adobe, it appears that they will eventually disable all "owned" products from the past if they can get away with it.

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Ramlyn
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I also don't like the subscription system of Adobe. A nice way would be to offer the subscription for temporary users and the full version for who want to keep the program. But instead Adobe changed to a sales model that is profitable only for them and not user friendly. That's why I still use the older version.

Another bad thing of Adobe programs is the localization. I work on Japanese and Thai computers. But I use English for many programs, for avoiding troubles when using some plug-in. The Japanese and the Thai versions automatically install in the local language and local settings. It is not what I need. Then I bought a North American version. When I went to install it......... Adobe did not accept the serial code, saying that it doesn't match with my location. If I buy the program abroad, why don't they let me use it?

Another problem. I have an older version of an Adobe program that three years ago I firstly installed in my brother computer because that we needed to use it. After that, I deleted it from there, and I brought it at home. I tried to install it in my computer, but the license was not accepted. I contacted Adobe explaining the problem and they refused to help. I may understand 1 license for 1 computer. But I have the CD-ROM, so I can prove that I own the program. And they can delete the other license, if they want. Then, the point is just..... very bad customer support.
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Ramlyn
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As for me, I love unique programs. Programs that have some peculiar characteristic.

Filter Forge is really great on this.
There is no other comparable software.

Then, other interesting programs are BlackInk, Rebelle, Flame Painter, Leonardo, Expresii, Paintstorm Studio, Vector Magic, Axialis IconWorkshop, MediBang Paint Pro, etc.

Differently from you, my first experience with graphic editors was GIMP, and then I passed to use Photoshop too. It was probably easier for me not caring of Adobe choices.
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Indigo Ray
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GIMP has many of the features you'd expect a photoshop-like program to have. I use it, but I'm no professional. With Filter Forge's copy/paste feature since version 7, it's easier to use the two programs together. I don't know what g'mic is, let me take a look...

Photoshop is a colloquial term, in part because of how powerful the program is, and you bet Adobe knows it! The theory is that subscription licensing allows the developer to keep adding new features and more frequently / automatically push updates. In practice, it's basically your "umbilical cord" metaphor, unless you also offer a permanent license (ex. Filter Forge).

My sister likes FireAlpaca as a painting program. I have Krita but I'm pretty bad at it.
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rachelduim
So Called Tortured Artist

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Thanks for the replies, Ramlyn and Indigo Ray.

Ramlyn, I found it interesting that localization was an issue. Adobe, as far as customer support goes, I agree, yuck. I understand the business model of subscriptions to a point, but think that this hurts the companies long term prospects. Basically it will push away non-professional users who can not justify the ongoing price. Only time will tell.

Indigo Ray, G'mic is a set of over 500 plugin filters for use with various image editors (GIMP, Paint.net, Krita) and more. It allows you to write your own filters as well and more. I have found the filters to be high quality. And yes, Adobe knows how good Photoshop is, but the corporate ego could be their ultimate downfall.
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chrisd
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G'mic can use 3D info as well ... I don't know coding, but I can see that would open up some possibilities in generative art. If it could tie into Grasshopper (Rhino) that could make for some amazing things ...
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