SpaceRay
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I have seen already this year some great upgrade and new versions of different software versions that when they release a new full version of the software they have included many interesting and useful new features and lots of improvements to others previous things, and when I compare this to what Filter Forge Inc. is able to inlcude in a NEW version upgrade I feel sad and like it could have had more things.
When I have seen the news of Filter Forge 4.0 it seems that it will have only just and only 3 or 4 new features according to what has been told already in the forums, and far away from any other software companies that try to put more things inside. Of course that Filter Forge Inc. can never be compared to Adobe, Apple, Microsoft, Corel, or others big and important companies that have a large amounts of employees working for them, BUT I have seen some much smaller companies that also try to put good amount of new things in new versions to encourage and help the user of that software to use it in a much better way and many new thing, as the makers and developers of this Genetica software that as far as I know they are not at all a big company either but have been able to make the new 4.0 version with lots of new things and improvements. I have received today the news of the new Genetica 4.0 software wh ere you can read:
I have bought Genetica 3.5 some time ago, but although it is also node-based as Filter Forge, I like much more the way FF works and do things and I now work 95% in and 5% in Genetica, but I am feeling sad that Vladimir and his workers can´t seem to be able to offer much advance in new great features to really rival and conquer the other graphical and artistic software world and stand out and be much more popular and that would make you feel proud and happy of being an user and owner of Filter Forge. I feel bad that in many top ten lists or most interesting and useful artistic software or better Photoshop plugins, Filter Forge is mostly not included in those lists, only in some of them, and I woould love that FF becomes really a very popular and well known software as many others have already achieved. The Lynda.com learning website have already a huge amount of software included and available to learn how to use the many softwares but in the huge list and long list is NOT incuded FF. |
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Posted: December 16, 2012 12:29 pm | ||||||||
Sharandra
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Well, then how about instead of whining and ranting, you go and do some advertising for FF? Or just use Genetica and be happy.
And honestly, you should take Skybases advices more seriously ![]() |
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Posted: December 16, 2012 1:13 pm | ||||||||
CFandM
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Well to be blunt that Lynda.com site is geared more towards the bigger graphics apps and beginners of ebay, google and the internet as a whole....Besides they don't have genetica on there as well so that is a moot point that FF is not on there....
Aside from that there is a lot of software that I can think of that is great software that is not found on Lynda.com...... One that is HUGE in the music production side of things is Cubase...That one is not on the list... So as I said its a moot point... Stupid things happen to computers for stupid reasons at stupid times! |
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Posted: December 16, 2012 4:41 pm | ||||||||
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Hey, I'd love to see FilterForge out there, but I doubt you writing any of these messages helps establish FilterForge at all. Let a lone, you only write rants, feature requests, and post flood loads of preset renders. I don't find the preset render examples a bad thing, I just haven't seen you use them in your own work.
SpaceRay, I simply think your posts have gone spoiled and have this sour taste that you just can't get anything you wish for. It's ridiculous that you have to continuously repost and announce yourself. And for every post you've made about it, ranting this and that, whining with no bottom, I've lost much respect in you. I lately just expect all this tabloid-quality rant to come out of you, and my expectations have never been wrong. Quit ranting and whining. Just because people let you, it doesn't mean it's always welcome. It's disrespectful and annoying. It doesn't help anybody, and it only helps yourself. You even took the time to write this:
Oh ok, so I guess FilterForge hasn't given you and the rest of the world anything more. You sound like you need to be spoon fed features rather than being creative yourself. So overall, after all this time, I've tried my best on hinting you on filter creation, design, and otherwise. I wasn't direct. I've supported you on some feature requests and whatever interested you. But you picked little from that and instead you still riot like FilterForge hasn't done anything to serve your creativity. You know if you just learn FilterForge to its potential, you kinda start realizing you don't need many additional features? There are some that I'd want, but I don't ask for them to suddenly happen. I also personally hate writing this stuff. I don't know if you've read any of my previous pokes at you but seems like the last 2 or 3 posts really tripped me off the edge. I suggest you to look for those yourself. Honestly, this has become this cycle of me biting you back every time you rant senselessly. If I could, I'd just hit the "ignore" button and filter out rant posts leaving only something worthy of my time, but I don't do that. The thing is, you just don't stop somewhere, you just keep going and going about the same rant you started probably a full year ago. It's almost as if ranting is your major role on these forums, that you do it like it's your job to make sure the forums get at least 2, rants every week. Is that all you've got? Some rendered example picts of somebody else's filter and a bunch of pointless repeats of previous feature requests? Maybe I'm expecting too much out of you. And look, in my view, writing against a fellow FF user is painful. I don't like doing this man. I don't like saying things in a blunt manner, but this totally needs it. I feel as though my interest in the program's basically being abused by such rants. But I guess some people prefer to rub salt deeper into wounds. ![]() |
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Posted: December 17, 2012 4:05 am | ||||||||
Skybase
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Hey, and maybe I should share a bit of apology because that was such an "in your face" message. I tend to distance myself from many things but FilterForge has surprisingly kept me closer to personal grounds than anything. It's this one tool that just can do everything and anything. It saved me a lot of time, a lot of tasks, and a lot of pain. Plus it's got the nicest community. I feel as though these threads abuse that aspect, and it really turns everything down. Being critical is important, but the manner in which these critiques (especially this one) are being presented is outright wrong and disrespectful. But I guess I can't expect everybody to even be on the same page with that.
My thing: lets just get back to doing art... instead of kicking around people who make this stuff possible. |
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Posted: December 17, 2012 11:25 am | ||||||||
SpaceRay
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First of all, I want to give my apologies and say that I am sorry that I made this thread in this bad way
![]() I want to thank to Sharandra and Skybase for their posts and the time taken to write the text here and let me show my error and that I agree with you and you both are right. It seems that my problem is worse than I think showed in this thread I have ADHD confirmed today by neurologist-I apologize and I am sorry and that I really can´t control much what I say and do, so perhaps the best thing would be avoid to make negative comments like this and so there will be no problems.
Yes, I agree with you that this whining and ranting is not helpful and useful at all and does not go anywhere and would be better to do something about it instead. Well I have to say that sometime ago I have already made some kind of promotion of FF in other forums and tried to make it more known to other persons, but the final result was bad, as the answers from many showed that they put the focus on the bad things of FF rather than see all the very good and awesome things that FF can really offer over the bad things it could have. The main comments was against that it was very slow with many of the filters and you could not control the preview (only possible to have the reduced and full size view) and was slow to work with it in higher resolutions, and other comments that I will not put here.So after many negative comments and only a few of them positive I left it out
OH YES!! Absolutely true, you are right that we would want that Filter Forge would be much more famous and popular and well known and in the high part of creative software and that writing all this I have put DOES NOT HELP at all reaching this target. I thank you specially for all the time you have taken to write about this and that I specially thank for caring and letting me know your wise and good point of view, and although it seems that it goes against me and you may be seen possibly as a bad person, you are not not because all that you say is true. As I said in the beginning of this post I am sorry for what I have put here. I want to tell that from now I will NOT continue with this and will try to keep away from making any negative comments about FF that will not help and be useful at all and break the good and nice feeling in the FF forum.
The only part that I am not agree with you is that I do not FLOOD posts with preset renders that may seem that are not useful and does not help in thread, I only put the ones I personally like and that for me is much better to show the nice render presets INSIDE the dedicated thread of that filter instead of having to go to the filters page and click on each of the pages of the filter preset and that it takes much time to do it, and that putting it in the post is much faster and easier to see it. AND I have not put any examples of my own personal work with this filters as I did not have time for it or also that I am having special emotional problems and do not work with FF as before, so could not put any of the examples made by myself. Sorry. Thanks Skybase for your wisdom and way to say things and for caring, and that it was helpful and useful for me I will comment some more things later, as now I have to go |
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Posted: December 22, 2012 2:33 am | ||||||||
Skybase
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Aye, I kept in mind ADHD and your background as I wrote that stuff. I modified it several times, trying to tone it down but it's hard when the whole thing was written with a "slap in your face" attitude. I think posts like these leaves a lot of people kinda hanging on really bitter feelings, while there's some agreement on some grounds, the way anything is encouraged is more through a critical, analytic view rather than throwing sour commentary about things not happening. Of course, this happens on practically any forum, it's just that it happened here more often than I can ignore.
I think overall, you just have to remind yourself that you're on a public forum, where "public" means you're dealing with other people not just yourself. You're not in the safety of your own private world on a public forum so whatever you post is whatever you have to be responsible for. Basically means don't let your emotions run a thread. |
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Posted: December 22, 2012 7:44 am | ||||||||
SpaceRay
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I am sorry for all that I have written here and in other threads and posts and I will follow this good phrase
"When words are no better than silence, one should remain silent" or "Speak only when your words are more beautiful than the silence"
YES, I have to say that I totally agree with you, and is true that this kind of posts does not help at all, leave a bad feeling, and is not useful and pleasing to have in the forum, it only makes the forum dirty and does not give any constructive help that other person would like to read and like. The problem is that I do NOT see it this way when I am writing it ![]() ![]() ![]()
Well, I thank you for this, but regretably I have to say that you do not know what is like to be life me and to suffer all the emotional things that happens to me that makes me do this bad things and I have not noticed until it was too late. Although, you will not have to measure and keep in mind your words again and how to write because of the thing I put as follows below.
OH YES!!! Very good and wise words, I have not seen it this way and is absolutely true, this is a PUBLIC forum open to the whole world and anybody can read it and is not like a closed or private place and is true that everything I write is my own responsible part and I am the slave of my words. Basically means don't let your emotions run a thread. YES; this is the greatest and main problem, that I can´t really have much control of the emotions and they sometimes run like a riot, and so I always avoid to have emotional things and avoid doing lots of things because of this, BUT many times happens like this that I let my emotions loose when writing and is a bad thing But as said I will make all the possible so it does not happen again, and the best way is to avoid writing anything that is not to say something nice. As said in the beginning, I will follow this good phrase "When words are no better than silence, one should remain silent" or "Speak only when your words are more beautiful than the silence" |
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Posted: December 24, 2012 4:13 am | ||||||||
SpaceRay
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YES, you are absolute right, this is a moot point, as Genetica and other well known and important software are not included there, so there is no point comparing this, although what I wanted to say is that it would be really good if Lynda.com could have tutorials for filter forge and be able to learn more how to make filters and have professionals make tutorials about filter forge, and this would make FF more popular and even more known than now. |
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Posted: December 28, 2012 4:13 am | ||||||||
Skybase
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lol they're pretty much not included because they're esoteric and tend to fall with a niche of users, unlike a general program like Maya, where a bunch of people are using it.
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Posted: December 28, 2012 5:19 am | ||||||||
SpaceRay
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Finally the New Spiralgraphic´s Genetica 4.0 software has been already released and you can download a demo to try it free for 30 days and there is a special offer of 40% discount for a only few days to buy it.
I have upgraded and like it and is much better than on version 3.0, and is faster, now it includes filters in a dedicated menu and list (with BIG and beautiful thumbnails and not the FF tiny ones) and list as it happens in FF, and also now is able to load 3D models and do UV textures, it has text and font support, and many more things. You can in Genetica make most settings modifications in nearly real time and not like in filter forge that takes much time to re-render each time you make a simple setting change. BUT if I would have to choose just one software of the two, I would choose filter forge, as the way it works FF, the way the nodes and components are arranged in the filter editor and the logical way to build filters is better in FF for me and easier to do, and also the way FF works and that have even wider potential and much more variety. Although really comparing Filter Forge and Genetica may be a wrong thing as they are not the same kind of software and not exactly in the same purpose although similar in some possible way. |
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Posted: May 31, 2013 3:20 am | ||||||||
Skybase
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Yawn.
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