Let the Games Begin?

Let the Games begin?

Okay so we have a prize so graciously offered by Biomechanic, all we are missing is some official rules and regulations on the whole competition.

I would prefer others to take lead but I have been suggested to lay down the rules, so here it goes.

Length: The competition will last 1 1/2 months, starting today June 2 and ending on July 16.

How to Submit for Judging: Entries will be marked by adding "C1" into the Keywords section of the filter. After the competition is completely over authors can resubmit their filters and remove the "C1".

Theme: None for this round, let us leave it open to allow creative juices to be able to flow freely.

Judging: We want as many filters as possible so there will be no limitations issued for the number of filters you may submit.

Filters will be judged based on 3 criteria.
1st: Technically Sound, meaning your filter accomplishes what it needs as effectively as possible; avoiding unnecessary components.
2nd: Visually pleasing; meaning it looks good.
3rd: Creative/useful; meaning submitted filters have to be unique or useful.

There will be a panel of 3 judges assigned a specific criteria. They will then comment on the submitted filter and say either +1, +0, or -1; and then offer feedback. The filter's author can then use the feedback and resubmit the filter for potentially a higher score, thus encouraging quality and quantity.

At the end of the competition the Filter Forger with the most points wins.



If there is rule you would like to be different please say so before tomorrow and we can change accordingly. Like I said before, I don't want to be the one making the rules, I am merely doing it because I have more time than some; so any additional ideas are wanted.

Also we need a panel of 3. I don't want to be in the panel, because I want to compete; but if you would like to be in the panel please just say so.

(I really really want to get this thing started, so if you want anything changed say so before tomorrow. Heck if you want the whole thing changed say so, just do it before tomorrow.)

Prize #2: 3 HU, I will offer mine.

Prize #3: 3 HU, I will offer StevieJ's Just kidding, anyone else want to offer some?

I timed out replying to this, ohh man.

So in short:

Change the points alloted: agreed, but lets make it a scale 1-10 instead of 1-3, that way shoddy filters won't count towards much.

Put a New Post with the Title "First Un-Official Official Competetion", agreed, but lets wait till everyone has had their say in the subject.

Have the Filter Forge Team judge: agreed, but I assume they are busy so let us make a backup panel now; just in case.

Limit the number of entries: I am hesitant with this idea because the word Limit doesn't really seem to match with the idea of Expanding the Library. I disagree with this idea for three reasons. 1st) Filter Forge likes the bombardment style, hence their current incentive program. Who doesn't like to say we now offer 12,341,591 unique filters 2nd) I and others are sitting on about 10-25 filters that we don't have any incentive to submit. You give me a limit and you will only see about 3 of my 15 Filters I have been working on. Not because I am selfish, but because I have advantages of keeping some personal filters for business purposes, but a copy of PS is enough to losen my grib, I am betting it will losen others grips as well. 3rd reason, This will narrow down the winner to partial preference of the judges. Never will a snippet win despite how useful it is. Think about how many times Crapadilla's snippet scratches has been used in the creation of some excellent filters, yet is still isn't HU. If we limit the number of entries we limit the creativity of some authors.

I just thought of a 4th reason; I have a lot of free time and the bombardment style is the only shot I have of winning:)

In short, I agree with all but this one idea of yours, so since it is just my oppinion versus your oppinion we will take mine because it is advantagages to me

Just Joking, let us see what others say. If we hear that a standard "best of show" competition is what the majority want, let's do that. But if we hear that a point competetion is what others like, let's do that. Hope that seems fair enough.

Thanks for your 2 Cents.

LOL.... hold on, speedy I know you want that copy of CS ASAP, but I would suggest getting a general agreement on the contest rules before getting started with this.....

6 week competition is good....

I would suggest using John's CS donation as the grand prize.....overall 'best in show' winner....

Then have 5 free copy catagory awards: (1) technical construction, (2) clever construction, (3) most creative, (4) most usable, and (5) best visual appeal.....

HU Donators???

3 HUs - StevieJ
3 HUs - Red
3 HUs - Dilla
3 HUs - CF
3 HUs - Carl??? .....c'mon, you can afford it, buddy....

I would suggest that each donator be a judge of an award catagory.....for example: John = Grand Prize, myself = creative, Dilla = technical, CF = clever, Red = usable, and Carl = visual appeal..... ???

I would suggest entering all filters into the contest that are submitted to the library during the contest period.....then just let the judges do the rest.....much easier and straightfoward to do.....and more appropriate to let the donators judge which filter wins their donation.....

I think having the six awards will help get more people involved.....and not make them feel like they would be wasting their time up against more skilled authors for only one to three prizes.....

How do ye all feel about this???

Well, there goes my hope of bombardment winning I was just so eager

You are all right, a bombardment competition may not be the best. And I say let us follow Crapadilla's ideas, he always seems to be right. So if someone would address his questions and a few more; like who will the judges be, we would be set. I have already proven incompetent when it comes to organizing these kind of things so I volunteer someone else to polish off this competition with the request we get started as soon as possible.

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Redcap wrote: You are all right, a bombardment competition may not be the best.

Basically we already have a perpetual 'bombardment competition' running, so we just might try to do the opposite.

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Redcap wrote: And I say let us follow Crapadilla's ideas, he always seems to be right.

Don't know about that. I'm just stating what makes most sense to me.

What are the rules regarding using other peoples work in a filter?

I like the Quest for the Golden Pick, though Ruins of the Ancients is nice too.

Exactly!

maybe add that to a category request?

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Biomechanic wrote: I have f****** dreams about it man !!

Talking about dreams.. if you start dreaming about fixing a filter does that mean your over doing filter making?

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Biomechanic wrote: I've had wet dreams every night for 2 months after seeing Stevie's 'Alien Metallix' teaser - no wonder I can't keep a woman

LMAO..... Rest assured, you're going to get it!!!

I would humbly suggest not having any contest theme and just let people do what they want to do.....alot more will participate that way. A specific theme will turn many away from competing against more skilled authors working on the same thing.....and FF certainly doesn't need a plethora of filters in a specific use theme where there is limitted applications and usage. There are alot of holes that need to be filled in the library.....and I think this competitition should be used to motivate authors to find the holes and fill them.....

Ack???

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CFandM wrote: one filter per person entry

Agree.....or maybe a maximum of three if the contest is something like two months.....more nice works submitted.....

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CFandM wrote: filter dumping there would be just to many filters to go through for the contest..So its best to make it as simple as possible to judge also....

Agree.....

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CFandM wrote: Filter disqualifications would be copying an already existing filter aside from snippets for use in the contest... Filter Dumping for the contest..ie trying to get more score by submitting more... Might have to call in security to escort them out of the building

LOL.... Agree.....close variants or outright cloning should be disqualification.....

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CFandM wrote: Myself I like the discussion in private...Would add more anticipation for the results...Judges also cannot talk to others besides the other judges about the contest or even hint to others in mail or on the fourm as how it is going or even post about anything related to the results or waiting results until its time to announce the winner...

Agree.....

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CFandM wrote: on why this filter won when this other one looks way better.But may have more components thats why it did not win...

I think having the 5 "free copy" catagories should remedy this.....

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CFandM wrote: One thing that I had thought about was if we had a theme for the contest..Whats to prevent the filters from being the same..This does happen as you all know...For the newbies lets say the theme is Bricks....What would be the procedure for two different people submitting the same filter for the contest at the same time..Would those both be disqualified since they did not know each other was submitting the same thing...Or are they judged the same? Or say start over again?

I thinks that's good rationale for having no theme.....then that would be highly unlikely to happen.....in addition to encouraging greater participation by allowing everyone to do whatever they feel like doing.....and if they really want to win something, then they will put some effort into coming up with something new.....

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CFandM wrote: Count me in for that 3 stevie

Didn't you promise 8 HUs for a lifetime prize??? LOL....

I would like to not be a judge for the sole reason of being able to enter and win the contest I could still donate 3 though.

Ahem

http://www.filterforge.com/forum/read...4&TID=5232

Ok you've got my 3 - which means there are 6 of us donating three plus John donating CS - why don't we limit this to CS grand prize and Three Free copies [ 3 hu's ] and have another competition in say 6 months where another 3 x 3 hu's are awarded and another grand prize which John has already said he would donate.

Best Technical
Most Original
Best Visually
Grand Prize


I like the idea of having topics but making them reasonable open
What about a compromise 2 entries per author
Judged privately
All judges score all entries
No correspondence with judges and all entries will be excepted but just don't expect to win if you clone or put half arse effort in etc

Are prizes awarded if none are up to standard?

It's good to see so many experienced authors volunteering to donate HUs. However, since we're only going to have a limited supply of these, why waste them all on a single competition by having too many prices? There should be one winner per contest and consequently only one award, IMHO: 'Best of Contest'!

Regarding the contest topic/theme discussion, I'll admit that I do not understand the resistance put up against it. Real-life projects always impose 'design constraints' on artists. In my opinion, a topical constraint is 'A Good Thing™' for many reasons:

- It serves as a common basis upon which to compare and judge filter entries, making the judges' job easier. A hodgepodge of filters not guided by a unified theme would lead to the judges making much more subjective decisions based upon individual tastes/likes/dislikes, simply because different judges like different topics/themes.

A 'practical' example: Among the hodgepodge of filters are several filters with obvious kaleidoscopic themes, and some have pink sliders. While most judges will be impartial to the kaleidoscopics, Dilla is totally bored to death, giving zero scores to those filters. During further evaluation, most judges disregard the little 'pinkish' details in some of the submissions. Not so with Carl, who finds himself strangely tickled by them, and feels compelled to give better scores.

- It provides an intitial starting point from which individual creativity may unfold into various directions. Instead of being discouraged by a blank canvas devoid of any initial impetus, artists would find themselves confined by the pre-existing constraints and would seek to creatively stretch this condition to the limit.

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Crapadilla wrote: Not so with Carl, who finds himself strangely tickled by them, and feels compelled to give better scores.

LMAO come on you'd have give extra marks for technically advanced visually stunning Pink Slider Filters, in fact maybe that should be the Topic

I guess I'll have to find away to live with the disappointment

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Biomechanic wrote: Well, looks like the 'Iron Man' filter ideas been completely ignored by you guys...

I've got something in the top secret archives to cover it.....

Some thoughts-

We should plan on multiple contests which means two things- a reasonable deadline (I'm still rooting for 3 weeks) and conservative HU awarding.


A good scaled prize might be suitable: (Here's a thought)

#1 The software prize +3 HUs

#2 Three HUs

#3 1 HU

(Personally I just want +4 HU's then I'm set for lifetime up's )


the competition should establish themes (steampunk is a wonderful idea)

The # of submissions should be 3 filters each- they should all match the theme AND should work well with each other. Examples for steampunk might be: "victorian railing" "meshing gears" and "Grungy tile floor". Judges can have whatever categories they like- I'll repost my earlier suggestions:


Adherence to a theme (this would include a measure of how well the three filters worked as a pack)

Intuitiveness of controls (If I don't know what a slider is, and moving it doesn't really do much- that is a bad thing- bad randomization results from poor slider threshold adjustments would also be weighted here)

Speed (Overall rendertime, with considerations made for useful "preview/tweak modes")

Visual appeal (A category that gauges visual appeal)

Range of Effects (Is the filter limited to a very small number of looks, Example: is the user forced to only have X number of lines/bolts/whatever or can he increase or decrease the number?)

Miscellaneous (A category to reward good filter-making practices- preservation of the size slider, extra creative techniques, not blurring high roughness perlin, non-square images 'if applicable', ensuring proper tiling etc.)

It seems that all these different ideas would work, However every it is leading to an I say ; you say, he says, she says and soon we are going to be back where we started, waiting for a competetion to start.

I vote Crapadilla as the Chief Captain of this competetion to make it simplier for everyone. Whatever Crapadilla says goes. If he needs any help with ideas he will ask, but besides that we just need one leader not all of us.

All in favor of Crapadilla setting the rules and regulations say +1

(Crapadilla, if you don't want to do this it is fine, I nominated you because you are the most capable in my oppinion.)

Well, that certainly proves my point.....can't even agree on a ringleader....

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KGtheway2B wrote: StevieJ- The more detailed things become the closer we are to actually having a competition that might actually accomplish something. It's nonsensical to keep making compromises towards a goal then throw your hands up and continue repeating your original proposal.

On the contrary.....we're alot further away because no one can agree on anything.....and wed're just piling more things on that we can't agree about.....

Also, if you go back to my original posts, I wanted lifetime update awards.....then everything changed when John donated those programs.....and then I just did compromise down to one grand prize with three free copy catagory awards from five.....so I would appreciate it if you would actually read all of my posts before your next unfounded "StevieJ Nit Pick".....comprendez???

Just a thought, you have loads of ideas, which call it stage one of sorting out a competition.

Head to stage two, get those who are judging to agree on the finer details.

Like how many prizes, categories, how much time you have realistically to judge, then work out how many filters per person can be entered.

If you are having a theme/s and state if they are rough guideline themes. Say you picked a theme that has a wide gene would you stipulate a few choices from that or just give free rein, but then if you go for free rein you need to know the ins and outs of that theme just in case some one submits a filter that is obscure but still technically comes under that theme.

Then work out the length of the competition followed by will all the judges be around at the end date to judge? ( just in case someone knobbles a judge)

Once thats done Stage 3, announce the official start date with the rules/categories, listing prizes, end date etc etc.


I'll shut up for now