New computer for Redcap

I recently bought a Dell, there service is great, but I don't know how they compare price wise in USA, they were very competitive here, it would be worth getting a quad if you can stretch the dollars anyway have look

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Kraellin wrote: i'm still very wary of vista.

Me too.....still has lots of compatability problems. I would suggest staying on the XP OS for now.....

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Kraellin wrote: the compatibility issue is due to drivers not being out for vista

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Kraellin wrote: i never buy an M$ o/s until the first service pack is out.

Exactly.....I'd wait until they get all the drivers straightened out and all the bugs worked out of it first......

Vista ? Why, did a big hole in the ground open up and swallow the best pc OS ever, WinXP ?! I'll use Vista when they pry my cold dead hands off XP, and/or fix that candycoated veesta flavored bloatware and give it to me for free.

jffe

lets just say that even a beta tester --that did recieve a free copy of ultimate would never use it unless he had to

next point in case

a father that has give his kids each their own linux computer and each their own windows computer dual booting xp and vista and 1 mac they share

the Kids love linux and actually whine and cry when the father tells them its time to use vista
He might even try to remind them that all the good games like cars and ratatoulie etc are on vista yet they still hate it this is about as good a benchmark as you can get 2 kids that have never even used computers before with someone really encouraging them and they still hate it

So I have looked around some more and it just seems that I need to wait a little bit more before getting a new computer.

You always have to be different, don't you???

Never!!! LOL.....

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jffe wrote: ----No, I just don't get viruses (or scritps cept maybe one a year tops, hell, I rarely get pop ups

Neither do I using vista your happy with xp that's cool

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jffe wrote: Sorry volde

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jffe wrote: Sorry volde

cough cough I believe it was Carl defending vista not me
and no Im not angry

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Carl wrote: now I'm glad I got vista - as an artist it looks a hell of a lot better too

Obviously you have never checked out kde4 and compiz for linux if you think vista looks modern talk about a dated old look YUK vista is WAY behind the competition on looks

and theese neat little feature you said you learned to love --again never checked out the competition seriously have you

try spotlight for osx or beagle for linux and try going back to using vista after that


the number of features in the competition compared to vista is silly preaty every feature microsoft prommised would be in vista and Thne never made it --The free guys have figured out allready and OSX includes most of them as well

dated Vista is sorely dated by its functionality

and security

lets look at this because this is a big one in a windows world

currently the security situation is better in vista but that will probably change

the difference limited access rights ---right

well the problem with those limited rights is once the user (who typically never reads what the computer is telling them) once they have clicked continue --THEY ARE GRANTED EVEN DEEPER ACCESS TO THE SYSTEM CORE THEN IN XP--kernel level even

So even though Im a 5th rate coder after a talk with my boss about 8 months ago just to illustrate the point I whipped out a script that foolled the system into thinking it had received confirmation from the user when it had not---simple task to bypass all the new ""SECURITY"" and Im no real coder --how long before we start seing exploits to take advantage of this

I actually was highly impressed with the alpha and beta of xp when I tested them for microsoft--lets just say not so much vista--Im familliar with just about every platform out there including older ones --so Im not just predispositioned to one experience --Im open to them all

Vista is WAY dated compared to the competition --and wich is more importatn to most folks a preaty window decoration --or something that works

service pack 1 ---does address some major issues but if you are expecting a performance boost like we got with xp service packs --dont not one review has mentioned any benefit allong those lines --and I confirm the pack does nothing like that in fact my system lost about 5% performance with it



This is the same system that countless exectutive emails have been leaked preaty musch showing that all the top management at microsoft thinks its a dog
even Bill Gates and Balmer have slipped some comments along those lines themselves

No im waitin for windows 7 to see if they learned their lessons or not --Im just chalking vista up to a mistake --a VERY big mistake but a mistake anyhow

If you think Im being overly pationate about it just start reading reviews -the kind review of vista is a rare occurence --where xp when it came out got rave reviews and its not the landscape that has changed --osx continues to recieve rave reviews --its the quality of microsofts product --you like vista good for you every user should have their choice

I just dont want to see anyone led to vista without their eyes wide open
Ive had to revert WAY to many users back to xp for that reasone

also the number of converts to osx & linux ---in the past year i have done 6-7 times as many then all the previous years combined
that says alot since its them coming to me --I dont go out of my way for extra work like that
They come up with the idea them seleves
this speaks volumes when even grandmas are so fed up with the windows sceene they take the time to research alternatives
I can only imagine the ammount of converts if I compaigned for it




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Carl wrote: ouch

no not ouch --I just want to make sure a new user is properly warned before they take the vista plunge --You are every bit entitled to your choice of Os if you prefer vista --good for you

sorry if I came off harsh --I just really get concerned when folks get stuck with vista because they didnt understand the changeds and possible problems this presents

From what I've heard, MS has done some major platform changes with Vista.....thus the "lag" in compatable driver development.....

Friends of mine aren't going to implement Vista in their businesses until it has all the drivers and all the bugs are worked out of it.....

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Redcap wrote: buy a cheap copy of xp till vista is fully functional.

here is the problem if you buy a new box --make sure that you can obtain xp & vista drivers for all parts including motherboard


next wait a while --there have been some REALLY nasty bugs cropping up in the lattest build of SP1 I have a feeling that after SP1 there might be a few emergency patches released --wait till all the brush fires from SP1 are out then make your move

another option is to dual boot your system so your not trapped by any one system

good luck with yoru new comp whatever you decide

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voldemort wrote: here is the problem if you buy a new box --make sure that you can obtain xp & vista drivers for all parts including motherboard

hehe yep... I downgraded my laptop from Vista to XP and I still can't use the soundcard..No drivers that are compatible with XP....So I bought a usb external sound card....

one other note forgot to mention there is another way to get the vista driver to work

download the executable installer

download the setup editor ""orca"" from microsoft
edit any system check in the msi or setup
install it --and point xp to the new drivers

quite often winrar can also extract the setup.exe contents to a folder where you can do the same thing