PosterOgre

Just thot I'd blow my own horn a bit. I don't usually, but I spent a long time on this filter and wouldn't mind some feedback. You know... is it too complex... etc.

thanks.
PosterOgre

hi bongo51,

thanks for the look.

having looked inside the editor at this filter, it reminds me of some of my complex ones... drive ya nuts in a hurry disregarding the effects produced for a moment, the component outlay is confusing. programs like FF are a linear logic trail. in other words, they go from point A to point B and so on in a logical fashion. they follow a line. and yes, they can branch out and so forth, but it's always a linear trail. your layout is condensed and blocky and makes it hard to follow that trail. remember, you're posting on a forum of filter MAKERS, so we tend to like to see what others have done and how they did it.

now, understand please, i'm NOT criticising the connections, just the arrangement of the components. so, it's a small thing and has nothing to do with the actual effect of the filter.

also, you've got five components that arent connected to anything to do with the effect. they just simply stop. i dont know if this was intentional or not, but if it wasnt, you might want to go back in and connect them up if this was important to the effects.

also, the speed is a bit slow, especially on the anti-aliasing portion of the rendering. it really slows to a crawl on that. without AA on, it's fine; a little slow, but quite acceptable. it's probably the multiple blurs doing this.

and, in the GUI, some of your control names are not very clear. you've even got one there that seems to have had the name cut off. it's a checkbox one. all i see is: 'IMAGE_show for a' and that's it.

and on the effects side of things, wonderful! i love filters like this. very painterly! and i love that you separated the highs, mids and lows and allowed for control of each range. so, on the effects, very nicely done!

Hi Bongo,

Kraellin wrote...
and on the effects side of things, wonderful! i love filters like this. very painterly! and i love that you separated the highs, mids and lows and allowed for control of each range. so, on the effects, very nicely done!

I took a look at this filter for you too and agree 100% with Krallin and also wanted to add my encouragement. You are widly creative!~ I love it!~

Organizing the tree is something you can work on however the creativity is there. I could tell you put your heart into it and the result is beautiful. I understand that chaos and creativity are best friends. Finding the balance can be tough~ with that said; the filter is just lovely (if you want a womans point of view).

I posted to add my enouragment (keep producing those beautiful filters),

Persidio

Thanks all for your comments. Personally I enjoy real criticism. I'm writing these filters mostly for my own enjoyment, but peoples ability to use them and learn from them is a real issue with me.

I have been making a huge effort to improve my creation workflow to 'group' similar inputs, and to attempt to organize the flow in the same manner that the filter is ideologically created. It's difficult, I am used to a lot of tools from other software so there yet there are few functional holes in FF, I do find it difficult to organize my nodes for public consumption (see my rant in feature suggestions) ;0

I'm working on another idea spawned by the creation of this filter. Hopefully the flow will be more friendly for users.

I'm having a lot of trouble with zero point parameters... where the values go from -100 to 100, is there any way to represent that properly in the user interface? Also, mode changes show in remapped nodes but present as a numerical value in the user interface. I know that 'overlay' is 10! yay. Anyone know a way around this?

Again, I really appreciate the positive encouragement. Most of the time my wife rolls her eyes when she sees me 'filtering'. Sort of like my kid and her PSP.

Any suggestions about a direction my filters can explore, please suggest it... Love a challenge.

bongo51

Needs to be rewired.....but cool effect none the less

Nice Work!!!

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Bongo51 wrote: 'rewired'. how so? You have suggestions to make what I'm trying to do more efficient? do tell

That was harsher than I meant Just thinking of condencing your noise and gradient branches.....but I don't know how much more "efficient" it would really be.....other than to just look less complex. "Switching" up some of it would actually allow you to expand it with more poster effects without loosing any speed from what you already have.....

Just forget what I said It looks like you put some work into it and did a great job!!!

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Bongo51 wrote: Check out PosterOgre II

Not there yet.....you must have just submitted it

Looks like you have some other neat filters to check out

posted is a version showing things separated out in the editor. you can also see the trails that end nowhere more easily.

and forgive that this version shows the filter as made by me. this happens when i save someone else's filter as a new name. FF sticks the tag on there that i made it. i always use the same convention 'rev 1' when it's someone else's filter and this reminds me later on that i didnt make this.

PosterOgre rev 1.ffxml

well, it's still a zig-zag of lines, but sometimes that just cant be helped

Hi Bongo,

Nice image~ My little girl is 8 years old.

((Totally understand about the creative process on the filters)).

I'll tell you how I do it and that might help you...

First of all I start with a blank canvas- I look at the components to get an idea of what I want to make.

From then on it's chaos time. I start pulling components out 5 at time- and use the bottom of my screen. Each component has the project in mind.

Then I do like you do--- plug in- shift- pull behind--- and generally have a great time.

When I'm done- it's time to clean up after the party. (LOL). That's when I take a few minutes to tidy up. It's not so important that you stay super organized while creating- that like I said can be done after- you do need to have everything plugged in properly so that the filter runs clean. It is very common for me to have a few floating components that I decided not to use. And I think I accidently left one floating at the bottom when loading to the Gallery. (Shhhh... no one noticed).

Hope that helps If you saw mine while I was creating you'd see I really don't care how it looks during that particular moment in creativity. Gotta clean it up though.

Beautiful filter~

Persidio

P.S. Edit in: Forgot you can take a look at Ron Viers filters to get an ideas on organizing your tree. He also does complex filters so that may help you too,,, http://www.filterforge.com/forum/read...0&TID=2111 As you can see everything is tied in nice and neat and the filter has no loose ends. Hope that helps.

well PosterOgreII is up. I am actually surprised that it was accepted. It's a personal use filter but takes 40+ minutes to render a 3000pixel image on my dual core athlon... so, it's slow. Slow but funky.



PosterOgreII