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oh wait, i get it now. those 4 greys are being used as the offset of the red. ok, i see it now. couldnt see the differences in the example pics but then i couldnt see the controls either. ok, i understand now. so, you're offsetting it 3 times like you said and then merging it back in... what's that do effectively, give you a gradient to the red offset by doing it 3 times like that?
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It distorts the red channel..
But you need more than one offset otherwise it won't distort the red channel enough for good depth...
If you use only one offset you have to keep it at a low setting or the red channel will distort way to much and ruin the anaglyph...
So you keep a real low setting but add a couple of more offsets to distort the channel more but it will not distort it to the point of destroying the anaglyph...

So in effect by the different shades of the height map the red channel will distort a different direction...Also it notices a gradient and distorts the red accordingly...

I guess you can look at it this way also..We know that 2 images are needed for a true anaglyph....Think of this as the second image that we can't load into FF...
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oh, so by adding more, you are sort of distorting it in the 3rd dimension, depth. cool. so, it's almost like adding saturation to add depth. and if i follow along that line of thinking a bit further, have you tried using a hue/sat component to add depth?
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Well the hue/sat does not do to much since the map itself is b/w....A gamma would work
but have not experimented much with that...But I have tried the levels and the tone curve but these do weird things to the red channel...Such as making the red more noticeable within the image and ruining the effect...I even tried quick masking with the levels and alpha channel but again the effect was ruined by this.... smile:(
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ah, of course... hue/sat, b&w. and no, i wouldnt think curves would work.

well, anyways, it's some amazing work you've done. those two spirals are quite impressive! smile:)
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Thanks Craig, I'll be submitting that one next week sometime..I want to re-do some of the presets... smile:)
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Hope the above is less complicated.

makes sense smile;) smile:)

I was wondering if you could use the selection component to isolate areas to allow different heights within the same image smile:)
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here's a link to an interesting anaglyph: http://www.3dartspace.com/ . it's not FF or anything; just a neat anaglyph.
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makes sense Wink Smile

I was wondering if you could use the selection component to isolate areas to allow different heights within the same image Smile


It depends on what you use for the height map...If you are talking about images they are a little tricky since there is no global mask of sorts.. smile:cry:
But there is set up with the offsets where one can control the depth and height...One can also set up the height map using the switch component to set up the different height maps..So one can control it that way...So I guess the answer would be yes, sorta... smile:)


Craig even without the anaglyph that image is just way cool.. smile:pimp:
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yup, see the other topic on Meat's work in the offtopic forum.
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If anyone is interested in this one I thought I would get back to the basics of anaglyphs...This can be done in photoshop but thought I would try it in FF..Using two images taken at different angles one can be used for the red-channel while the other image is used for the main image....With 3D using different images in FF and another thread about using different images I finally got a chance to try it out smile:)

Heres what the final image looks like...

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Setting up the images to use in FF is rather simple...I took a picture of the plant then slightly moved the camera about an inch or two and took another photo....
Then opening the images up in PS I resized them to 6in width....One of the images I made the canvas 12in so I can fit both images side by side...Heres what that looked like....

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When I was finished with the above in PS I saved the image above and then opened that in FF...I then used the new filter to bring the two images together as one image and the result was an anaglyph...When using the filter its best to adjust the main image to the middle then adjust the red channel....Heres what it looks like in FF processed...There is still some work to do in PS once you save the image but its just cropping out the middle image....

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Heres the filter to play with... smile:D smile:)

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Then one more image smile:)

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hmmm, not sure i understand that last step, CF. like, why does it come out with two halves on the sides and the full in the middle? i'm guessing you're doing this on purpose, but i dont see why.

also, it occurs to me that you might want to get with TD and talk to him about importing two images at once. he was doing something with his lathe filter with some multiple imports. perhaps you two could collaborate on a 2 image anaglyph?

and i love the plant image. great depth! smile:)
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hmmm, not sure i understand that last step, CF. like, why does it come out with two halves on the sides and the full in the middle? i'm guessing you're doing this on purpose, but i dont see why.


Well thats what this is a 2-image anaglyph....The two images side by side are the same image shot at different angles.One for the red channel and one for the G/B ..Since one really can't use two images in FF one has to composite them together into one big image in PS for use in FF.....Using the example above the last image of the plant is the final image size....But since I had to use a bigger size image in FF (Due to using the 2 images and compositing them together in PS) that is the size our image will turn out to be in FF so some cropping is in order after rendering...I placed the main image in the middle since its easier to line up both the right and left image together.....The sides are leftovers from using the offsets.... smile:)
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oh, i see it now. duh. thanks, CF smile:)
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oh, i see it now. duh. thanks, CF Smile


hehe smile:)
I will submit this version also this week...Heres another version of that plant above..I gt bored this morning while waiting for coffee to brew so I took some more shots....



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Kraellin
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the red looks to be slightly off in that one, CF. still, great depth! glad to see you back on these.

now, that's interesting. in the time it took to type out that sentence above and then looking back at the image again, all the time wearing the 3d glasses, the red now looks fine. quite odd. i guess there really is an adjustment period when putting on these glasses.
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now, that's interesting. in the time it took to type out that sentence above and then looking back at the image again, all the time wearing the 3d glasses, the red now looks fine. quite odd. i guess there really is an adjustment period when p


hehe I still get that myself..Its almost the same effect when you are in a lighted room for many hours then you walk into a dark room..Takes the eyes a few seconds to adjust... smile:)

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yup, seems so. once my eyes adjusted, it was fine. quite odd.
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these are looking good CF smile:)
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Hope you found that filter useful Carl smile:D

I am getting back to FF now so I thought I would start out with the ChromaDepth version of the Abstracts and Swirls one....Don't forget to put on the glasses for this one if you have them... smile;) smile:)

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with or without the glasses it looks cool smile8) smile:)
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boy, the reds really come out at ya on that one, CF. it always surprises me that it takes a bit to 'warm up my eyes' to looking at those. sort of like some optical illusions do. but, very, very cool smile:)
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I know what you mean about the warming up..It always takes my eyes longer to warm up when looking at the screen on the laptop vs on the desktop monitor...But still takes a little bit for both... smile:) smile:eek:
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For anyone still interested in these 3ds smile;)
I did some experimented last night with the ColorCode3d method..See the last post in this thread..
http://www.filterforge.com/forum/read...1&TID=6002
The method is the same process as the red and blue anaglyph as far as extracting the RGB channels and moving the red channel slightly left or right for height and depth....But in the ColorCode3d instead of moving the red channel we move the blue channel....The odd thing is when moving this channel left or right its the opposite direction to the red and blue anaglyph..
If you would like some glasses but are not available where you are or are just lazy and don't want to get any smile;) smile:D Mail me and I will send some out to ya..I have seemed to acquire a bit of these somehow.. smile;) smile:D

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I have adjusted the Anaglyph Standard filter to handle the ColorCode3d images..Here is the test image thru that filter..It the same filter as the Anaglyph Standard just color channel changes to it... smile:)

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I don't have any 3D glasses to check this out.....but no doubt you have this well perfected by the looks of it..... smile8)
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I don't have any 3D glasses to check this out.....but no doubt you have this well perfected by the looks of it..... Cool


The good thing was there was not much editing of the anaglyph filter that I had to do.. smile:) I have submitted this version already.....
Well I do have a good supply of the color-code glasses if you would like some just give me an email with an address of where to send them Stevie... smile;) smile:)
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Well, my eyes are already bad enough.....you've seen my filters, right??? smile:| ..... smile:dgrin: LOL......
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ok, i'm not seeing much effect on these shifted blue images. which glasses am i supposed to wear, the chroma or the normal red and blue ones for anaglyphs?
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The Color-Code 3d glasses are what you need..They are like the red and blue ones but different colors.....There was a commercial that aired during the superbowl that was in 3D...Big advert or something
see bottom post
http://www.filterforge.com/forum/read...1&TID=6002
And they do look way better than the red and blue glasses..

The glasses were given away free at various stores including Myers, Kroger and a dollar store of all places....Like I mentioned to stevie I have a supply if you want a pair....I'll mail you details.. smile;) smile:)


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Well, my eyes are already bad enough.....you've seen my filters, right??? Confused ..... Devil Grin LOL......


hehe...Put your hand in the air and hold up two fingers...OK how many fingers are you holding up... smile:dgrin: smile:D
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ah! now you tell me! ok, so, you're expanding your command of the 3d world again. ok. i'll have to find yet another set of glasses. lol. could we get the rest of the world to decide on one technology here? smile:D

oooh! oooh! i know! i know! this is a trick question! unless you cut the rest of your fingers off, you're holding up five! or, if you're holding up two fingers and using your other hand to do it, then you're holding up ten fingers smile:D (think about it smile;) ).
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ah! now you tell me! ok, so, you're expanding your command of the 3d world again. ok. i'll have to find yet another set of glasses. lol. could we get the rest of the world to decide on one technology here? Big grin


Late at responding to this one Craig Sorry.. smile:cry: smile:)
But how about blending them or at least one image where you can use two glasses at once... smile;) smile:) Why have all those glasses just lying around..Might need that Fred Sanford drawer for storage...smile:)
Been playing with some more colors and swirls....I'll post the filter when done..But its for use with either the ColorCode3d glasses(the new ones) or the ChromaDepth glasses(those clear lenses)..But for more fun put both of those on at the same time and look at the image...You really need to relax the eyes for that part... smile;) smile:)

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good freakin lord! i'm totally convinced you're trying to make me go blind; two pairs at once? lol smile:D i couldnt see any real 3d effect while wearing both pair. the chroma ones i get a good effect. it really separates things out, but adding the other pair (the ones that say 'Intel' on them) didnt produce any noticable 3d effect at all. so, not sure what's going on there.

cool image, btw smile:)
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hehe You're not blind yet.. smile:evil: Darn....I'll post some more images then.. smile:dgrin:

Hmmm....I'll have to see what is going on with that..Might be that monitor settings thing again or something... smile:) Back to the drawing board..Or mousepad... smile:)
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hehe You're not blind yet.. Angry Darn....I'll post some more images then.. Devil Grin

Hmmm....I'll have to see what is going on with that..Might be that monitor settings thing again or something... Smile Back to the drawing board..Or mousepad...


Well after posting in the "Blur the Background" thread I might set this one on "Finish Me" pile.. smile:)
That thread had me thinking that I forgot about making a selection of what you want to jump out of the screen..So heres a pict of that version so far..Make the selection in PS or PSP and apply the effect..I used Carls bus pict and selected the bus and applied the effect....This is for the ColorCode 3d glasses...Since they are becoming more and more popular.. smile;) smile:)


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i think my glasses must be defective. either that, or i'm using the wrong ones. i have three types now, the normal red on left, blue/green on right, the clear chroma and that last set you sent me, with the yellow on left and blue on right. none of them seem to work on the bus pic. and the spiral pic, only the chromas work. so, either i'm defective, the glasses are or i'm missing a type. we wont comment on me being defective smile:)
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i think my glasses must be defective. either that, or i'm using the wrong ones. i have three types now, the normal red on left, blue/green on right, the clear chroma and that last set you sent me, with the yellow on left and blue on right. none of them seem to work on the bus pic. and the spiral pic, only the chromas work. so, either i'm defective, the glasses are or i'm missing a type. we wont comment on me being defective Smile


This one I am posting is the ColorCode glasses...The last one I sent you with the Intel logo on...Might be the lights in the room or the monitor brightness/Contrast...
Heres another pict to try with the same glasses...

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yes, i've tried it with the color code ones. i see a little 3d effect... maybe. it's certainly not like the others where it's quite obvious and things stick out or drop back remarkably. i mean, i think i see the effect on this last one, but it seems dull compared to the other type glasses and it also darkens the whole thing quite a bit. and i dont mean any reflection on your work; i'm just not convinced of these color code glasses and their effect being all that good.
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yes, i've tried it with the color code ones. i see a little 3d effect... maybe. it's certainly not like the others where it's quite obvious and things stick out or drop back remarkably. i mean, i think i see the effect on this last one, but it seems dull compared to the other type glasses and it also darkens the whole thing quite a bit. and i dont mean any reflection on your work; i'm just not convinced of these color code glasses and their effect being all that good.


Yep its just a slight effect on these images...I am still trying to get the full effect using the selection component rather then the image one...I get more ghosting and other oddites with the selection component...But still working on it smile;) smile:)
I noticed the darken thing also..I might need to boost the blue channels lightness before connecting it into the Assembly RGB component...

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and i dont mean any reflection on your work; i'm just not convinced of these color code glasses and their effect being all that good.

No reflection taken smile;) smile:) smile:)
Myself I can't deceide which one I like better between these and the Red and Blue...
I always have to turn my light off when looking at either one...My light shines right on my monitor and of course its one that is installed in the celing so its not so easy to move... smile:(
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slight effect... ok, good; thought i was going blind smile:)

rather than the blue channel, try the green. lightness is often carried more in the green, or so i was told.

cant help ya with the light smile:)
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Very cool stuff, CF.
Anyone know where to find those glasses in Canada?
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