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Kraellin
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getting this noise how i want it has been driving me nuts. but, i think i'm getting it under control now...i think smile:)

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Kraellin
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well, i've found a rather glaring flaw in this thing. gonna have to go way back and re-work this. thought i'd have it out over the weekend, but now it seems it's going to be set back a bit smile:(
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I like the one with a bit of color in it and I think the original and this one are both fine as is. This last one I like the rocky area, but the snowy area seems to be floating off of the rock in some places.

Jan, the rocks you made will work perfect with Craig's filter here. I am looking forward to making a nature scene with this. I have all sorts of animals I can use in it and trees.

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you'd use it in bryce? interesting. how so? i may put it up here in the forums just so you CAN use it in bryce and just so i could see what you do with it. the 3d world is calling me, but i'm not ready to venture there yet. so, i'm always fascinated when you all do something with FF in 3d.


Yes, I would make a jpeg and a bump map from this, take a terrain, go into the materials lab and apply your texture to the terrain. The bump map would be used there too. When you are ready with it, let me know and I will show you what it looks like in Bryce.

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oh, and on the fish, i think someone did a fish filter a while back. it's been a while, but i do recall something like that. i suppose you could always use imported images of fish.


In Bryce I would use my water mat on a water terrain and just add fish models and it would be just fine.
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Jan, the rocks you made will work perfect with Craig's filter here. I am looking forward to making a nature scene with this. I have all sorts of animals I can use in it and trees.


Neat! Wish I could recreate that snowy texture over rock like the one I did with my Bryce. But I do really like these snowy fields of rocks (ground?) Craig made too. A little scrub brush and bolders would look real nice in these smile;)

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I like the one with a bit of color in it and I think the original and this one are both fine as is. This last one I like the rocky area, but the snowy area seems to be floating off of the rock in some places.


yup, i may have to go back to that version, ahimsa. and for just the reason you stated, the snow is floating in later versions. it's giving me fits getting this one right and it's not even that complex of a filter.

i've got it both ways, jan. it can a rock ground texture or a rock face texture, depending on the settings. mostly rock ground. i've also added a slanting method for turning the whole terrain on a slope rather than flat.

still working on it smile:)
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Cam't wait to get my hands on this one. smile:D
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ok, still refining. this business of using noise for roughness and other nodes is a bit tricky. controlling the noise has been a bit of a headache on this. i did finally get the snow blending better so that it doesnt look like it's floating. the key was in using half of a set alpha and just passing it through the source without using the 'new alpha' node.

i also have a bit of a problem with a sort of blurry, fuzzy kind of snow mix and if i eliminate it, which i can, i would lose this (the attached image) sort of look.

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Kraellin
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here's an image with that blurry, fuzzy sort of look to the snow. i can make it more clear, but then i love the effect of the above image. i could make it two different filters, but it's really only one setting, one slider that is doing this and it seems a bit frivolous to make two complete filters for just one slider setting.

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Kraellin
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ok, i've managed to control some of the blurry, fuzzy bit by adding a global black point in levels. so, this is a good thing when i'm getting down to trimming a filter on global tweaks smile:)

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I don't care for the last one or the all white one, neither looks like snow to me. On this last pic it looks like thick dry paint and the ground/rock texture doesn't look good to me. Your original was my favorite. I liked the ground and the snow. It looked like a thin layer of the iced snow with some new snow sprinkled on it. Sorry.
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forget Steve, he doesn't need this. Trust me.

Don't trust her!!! She wants your filters all to herself....the FF "Greedy Gretchen" syndrome smile;) smile:D LOL....

I like the last one.....looks like you could make a "rough sea" effect......
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Don't trust her!!! She wants your filters all to herself


Where all filters at FF are concerned:

If it's pretty, I want it
If it's useful, I want it
If it's unique, I want it

If it's ugly, you can have it

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If it's ugly, you can have it

So now you're calling my filters ugly, eh??? smile;) smile:D LOL.....
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So now you're calling my filters ugly, eh???


No, I was talking about all filters here at FF...you get to have all the icky ones smile:D
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I like the last one.....looks like you could make a "rough sea" effect......


Oh yes, I see that too, now smile:D
That last effect would be a great starting base for making something in the water category I don't think we've got or seen, but I could be wrong.

As soon as you said it looked like 'rough seas', I thought of that Clooney movie where his ship (him and his crew) go down in a huge storm. Spooky, and this could give that ominous feeling. Could almost have a sort of vertigo effect on me if I lookrd too long into it's depths smile:eek:

I really like the first one, the all white, Craig... makes me think of the great ice fields in the northern reaches breaking up. Really nice, Craig!


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ahimsa

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Now I feel like my post was mean. It isn't meant to be. smile:(
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Now I feel like my post was mean. It isn't meant to be. Sad


Don't be silly... you said what you felt, so did I. I don't think Craig will see it that way either, (((Manon)))
You shouldn't worry at it smile;)


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Kraellin
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ok, that was some interesting feedback. and dont worry, ahimsa, i didnt take it as mean. you like what you like and that's what i want to hear. i really didnt take it that you were running down the current posts. i want honest feedback and opinion, not a lot of fluff 'oh, that's nice, dear.' smile:) (well, unless it is nice, dear )

but paint? hehe, ok, if that's what you see. probably a lack of noise in that last one.

oh, and the mostly white one. yeah, that wasnt really meant to be snow. i just liked the chalky, white wall effect there and wanted to see how others liked it. so, maybe it would be better to do as a separate filter. that's easy enough to take out of the current version. i just re-map one control and it's gone.

the rough sea idea is an interesting one. hadnt even seen that till you said something, steve.

ok, i just went back over some of the other presets on the latest version. yup, it doesnt work on the snow. it's coming out metallic and too smooth or flat. oh well, back to the drawing board. a shame, too, because i'm getting some really interesting effects with it. for instance, if you ignore the pure whites in this attachment, i really like this.

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not a lot of fluff 'oh, that's nice, dear.' Smile (well, unless it is nice, dear )


Oh, that's what I meant to say, Craig... "yes indeed, these are all nice, dear" smile;)


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oh, and the mostly white one. yeah, that wasnt really meant to be snow. i just liked the chalky, white wall effect there


Hehe, it always amazes me how we all see with slightly different 'creative' eyes... it's what makes art so wonderful. Everyone can be a creative artist in their own way and add to the variety... never-ending.

But I still see an ice flow cracking up, and can almost hear and feel the sudden 'pop' under my feet smile:D


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if you ignore the pure whites in this attachment, i really like this.


I sort of like that little bit of accent in there, Craig... oh well, guess it's just me smile:)
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Kraellin
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Craig... "yes indeed, these are all nice, dear"
hehe, not quite sure how to take that one smile;)

yup, diversity is one of our stengths and sometimes one of our weaknesses. but, ya gotta love that i see apples and you see oranges. which one reminds you of an ice flow breaking up?

yeah, i like the accent too, except right up in the top left where it looks more like ahimsa's paint. and in some other presets it's a lot worse.

and the diversity i'm going for here is ahimsa's. this is good practice for making custom textures, designed for one person's view. i'm glad others are also commenting, however. always good to have many views.

ok, one last one before i'm off to bed.

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Kraellin
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well, i look at it today and i dont like it that much. lol. oh well. i may well have to just release that version you like, ahimsa. the problem with it is that in a lot of the other presets i have for it, it's just way too much snow. the randomizing just brings up too many snowscapes with little rock. i want to get more rock in there (when desired) and be able to control all of the elements, rock, snow, noise and so on. so, that's fine, i'll keep working on it. it's in there somewhere smile:)
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ok, i think i'm back on track now. i went WAAAAAY back in the versions and found two big mistakes. one, i had moved one component to a different node to test something and forgot to move it back and that carried through all the rest of the versions. and two, i found why i was having so much trouble controlling the noises. i had the noise controls plugged into both the rock and snow effects together and so couldnt control them separately.

so, this is looking much more like the original you liked, ahimsa and, i've added in an easy way to have more rock or more snow. so, let me know what ya think.

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and this is with the exact same preset as the last image, only with the 'more rock' slider turned up.

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ok, i think i'm back on track now


This is really really nice, a snowy field of dirt and rocky outcroppings!
Wonder if you could ever expand something like this to encompass a wider variety of other eliminate, like dried twigs or grass clumps... frozen puddles, or trickling creeks, a frozen waterfall???

Hehe, don't mind me, Craig, my imagination is running away with what I see... which is a compliment to your work when that happens smile;)
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a wider variety of other eliminate,
'eliminate'? you used this like a noun here. not familiar with that definition of that word. but, yes, i ran across a couple of other possible uses and some where stated by others here. i liked the rolling sea one. it's amazing how one filter can branch off into others at times smile:)

and, imaginatio is a good thing. we like imagination smile:)
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Kraellin
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i can always tell when i'm starting to get near to the finish with a filter... i start grinning! and i'm definitely starting to grin on this one smile:D

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That's looking good smile8)
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ahimsa

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Sorry I'm so far behind here.

Craig, I like both of the ones with snow and rock. They are both perfect for a wildlife scene, maybe with mountain goats or even a bear.


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i had the noise controls plugged into both the rock and snow effects together and so couldnt control them separately.


Is this what caused that flat look on the top of the snow?

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This is the one I like the best of the two, but I do like them both very much.

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Kraellin
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thanks, steve smile:) thanks, ahimsa smile:)

hehe, i've done so many versions of this now, ahimsa, that i've no idea which caused what aberration smile:) my current version number is something like 1d-1h-1, which basically means, i was up to version 1o, but went back to 1d, then went back to 1d-1h after i got too far in that one, and then started a new train to 1d-1h-1. lol. so, there's about 25 versions in this thing.

and i really am glad for all the feedback. it helps keep me focused and moving when i feel like i'm doing it for a real someone, rather than just something to go into the collective library smile:)
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ahimsa

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But you can still get this scene, right? Because those mountain animals are getting real excited about all this snowy terrain. smile:D

Oh, this would go good in NWN wouldn't it?
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Kraellin
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yes, this is probably the version i'll finish with and yes, those presets are all in there smile:)
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ok, it's submitted! thanks, steve, ahimsa, jan and dilla (for the noise lab)!!

oh, and ahimsa, in answer to your question about NWN, i think so, but i havent tried to add any of my own textures to that yet. so, i'll have to let you know on that one.
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Yay! I get to have this tonight and I will see what it does in Bryce. Maybe check it in Poser too.
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just one other note on this, because there is no image component in this one, it's going to end up in the texture area. and that means seamless will be turned on, most likely. this may well screw up the existing presets as they look on the web pages. that's the one thing i forgot to do with the presets, make them all seamless so they'd look right on the web page displays.
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As long as the textures come out similar it won't bother me any. smile:D
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You've got all my filters then smile:D
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You've got all my filters then


You know it, even the ones that you forgot to add the pink flower sliders on. smile:-p
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Kraellin
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just a couple odd ones here.

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and one more of the same filter, but a different version. quite unfinished. not ever sure what it's supposed to be at this point.

kind of reminds me of that original star trek episode where the alien is asking scotty what the alchoholic beverage is he's holding up. both are quite smashed and scotty looks at the bottle and says, 'its...green.'

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Kraellin
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i havent done this in a while. just thought i'd post some stuff; nothing in particular... just stuff smile:)

this first is the original steve posted.

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and some renditions off that original...

#1

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Kraellin
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i dont know that i'd call these better than the original. the original is gorgeous. so, these are just... different.

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and let's do another...

#3

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and one more...

#4

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