AutumnFantasy

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How do I make frames? I know nothing at all about this program. Like what does the size need to be to start with and such? Sorry if there is an answer already on this board. I am totally new to this. First time I explored anything like this with photoshop, but no worries, I do know how to use photoshop rather well =)
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Posted: August 29, 2007 10:29 pm |
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Foxxee

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How do I make frames? |
Hi AutumnFantasy
The best way to learn is to get a frame filter and load it up, at the upper right of the program click the Filter Editor button and take a look inside the guts of that filter. You'll learn really fast that way... that's what I did
Also, don't forget to check out the Help in the program too!
OH, and...  ~Foxxee~
You are more than welcome to use and learn from my FF filters ;)
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Posted: August 29, 2007 10:39 pm |
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AutumnFantasy

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Thanks... I was actually doing that before I made the post =) I just can't figure out if I make the frame ahead of time in Adobe or what.
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Posted: August 29, 2007 10:41 pm |
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I just can't figure out if I make the frame ahead of time in Adobe or what. |
----No, there's a frame component module inside FF, you just wire it all up, and wire in designs and colors that you want. Looking inside other people's filters is by far and away the fast track if you want to learn to customize stuff and make your own filters, trust me, I didn't go that route, and a year later I ain't that great still ha-ha.
jffe Filter Forger
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Posted: August 29, 2007 10:46 pm |
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I just can't figure out if I make the frame ahead of time in Adobe or what. |
No, Filter Forge creates the frame the way you want it to look, and if you want to further tweak it then you can take it into your art program. But Filter Forge is also a stand-alone program, so you can virtually create anything you want inside of it and then use what you create as a filter to apply to other projects
~Foxxee~
You are more than welcome to use and learn from my FF filters ;)
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Posted: August 29, 2007 10:46 pm |
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---No, there's a frame component module inside FF |
Hehe, like Jff said (you beat me  )
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Posted: August 29, 2007 10:47 pm |
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AutumnFantasy

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Hm I'm not seeing how I'll be able to make the frame that I want.. but maybe if I play with it long enough I'll eventually get it. Thanks Foxxee... I got a lot of your filters btw lol I'm hoping I'll make something good enough where I'll earn the program.
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Posted: August 29, 2007 10:49 pm |
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jffe wrote:
---No, there's a frame component module inside FF |
Hehe, like Jff said (you beat me  )
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hoping I'll make something good enough where I'll earn the program |
Everyone strives for that, it's a worthwhile effort
Jffe beat me to the explanation on how FF makes it's own frames though, so he really should get a Thank You
Glad you like what I do, too! ~Foxxee~
You are more than welcome to use and learn from my FF filters ;)
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Posted: August 29, 2007 10:58 pm |
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AutumnFantasy

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Jffe's post wasn't there when I commented back oddly enough O.o Don't know why.
Thanks JFFe =)
Thing that is a bummer is that I can't seem to use my own images for the frame.
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Posted: August 29, 2007 10:59 pm |
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Thing that is a bummer is that I can't seem to use my own images for the frame. |
I'm not sure I understand... are you wanting to import your frames you have already created into Filter Forge? That isn't possible, you can, however re-create them and do so much more to embellish and polish them up. You can then take them to an art program and then do even more to them with other filters
~Foxxee~
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Posted: August 29, 2007 11:03 pm |
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AutumnFantasy

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No... like textures lol but it doesn't seem I can do that =)
Is there like a PM or something for this? So I can chat with my idea more in person?
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Posted: August 29, 2007 11:05 pm |
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No... like textures lol but it doesn't seem I can do that =)
Is there like a PM or something for this? So I can chat with my idea more in person? |
Sorry, no... I requested it but got no reply.
If you are wanting to use your own textures for the frames you make you just use FF as a plugin filter and when you have your texture on your working area apply FF and it will texture that image onto the filter for you... if that is how you have the Frame wired. If you have it wired to just put over pictures then you will have to go into FF as a stand alone... I think... and then go to File in the upper left and in the drop down choose Open Image and get the texture you want to apply to the frame.
Someone will hopefully correct me if I'm wrong, so I apologies if I am misinforming you.
~Foxxee~
You are more than welcome to use and learn from my FF filters ;)
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Posted: August 29, 2007 11:18 pm |
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AutumnFantasy

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Ah thanks =) It sounds like it could work... though I'm sure I'll get more responses. Its late however, so I think I just may head to bed and try it out tomorrow. I've been fiddling with this, seeing how it all works.
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Posted: August 29, 2007 11:21 pm |
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so I think I just may head to bed and try it out tomorrow. I've been fiddling with this, seeing how it all works. |
Have lots of nice Filter Forge dreams for all the filters you want to create, Autumn. Nice to meet another FF Addict
 ~Foxxee~
You are more than welcome to use and learn from my FF filters ;)
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Posted: August 29, 2007 11:26 pm |
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AutumnFantasy

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Ok now I just got to figure out how to wire my frame to accept my texture... but.. would I be able to keep that texture on the frame so I can upload it here?
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Posted: August 30, 2007 11:43 am |
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If I understand what you are trying to do.....it wont work.
Are you trying to make a texture in photoshop and have the file used as a texture in filterforge?
In FF the textures are made by using the various filter components built into FF. The only way an external image is used is trhough the "image" node, but that simply leaves the filter open to use whatever image is on the customers computer, you really cannot wire in your own images.
but maybe I am misunderstanding
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Posted: August 30, 2007 1:09 pm |
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Kraellin
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welcome to FF, autumn.
here's a quick primer on frames and images:
1. you dont MAKE your frames. you decorate and manipulate.
2. only ONE imported image can be used at a time within FF, regardless of whether you're using it in stand-alone mode or from photoshop (and other editors).
3. only ONE imported image can ever be used within a filter and that image can change depending on what one you want to load and that image does NOT get transmitted with the filter if you shld happen to upload it to the library.
4. textures and images can be plugged into the 'nodes' (connection points) of the frame component to alter the appearances of the various parts of the frame. for example, you could plug your textures (made within FF) into the 'contents' node of a frame component and that will be the image or contents that will be framed by the rest of the frame component.
5. you can plug other components into the other nodes of the frame filter to alter the appearance of the framing portions of the frame component. thus, you could plug in a 'blur' component to the 'margin' node to blur the margin around the framing. other components plugged into other parts will have other effects.
6. the frame itself is in two parts, 'inner' and 'outer'. both can have other things plugged into their respective nodes to affect those two parts of the actual frame.
7. you can even plug things into the 'corners' node to affect how that works.
8. the 'corners' node only affects the framing portions of the frame component.
9. the frame component only has one output node, like every other component within FF. all of the framing is done within the frame component and you output this as a whole via the output node.
that's pretty much the simplicity of it. there some other fine points, but that's basically how it works. If wishes were horses... there'd be a whole lot of horse crap to clean up!
Craig
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Posted: August 30, 2007 1:40 pm |
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AutumnFantasy

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Yeah I kinda figured that after.. its kind of a bummer isn't it? Thanks though for all your help =) Still trying to play around with it, come up with something useful. I have a much higher appreciation for all the neat filters I got, now.
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Posted: August 30, 2007 2:29 pm |
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that's pretty much the simplicity of it. there some other fine points, but that's basically how it works. |
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Yeah I kinda figured that after.. its kind of a bummer isn't it? Thanks though for all your help =) Still trying to play around with it, come up with something useful. I have a much higher appreciation for all the neat filters I got, now. |
I thought you meant you wanted to create a frame style and then use your own textures to put on that frame after you created it for yourself. But Craig and Rawn are right, you cannot import your textures from outside of FF and have them show up in your resulting filter which you then submit to the library, you can only use your own personal textures outside of FF on your own frames which you generate. Others will be able to do this too, if that's what you want in a submitted filter.
Otherwise, go look inside any of the frames I've created, Autumn and you'll see it's quite easy to make your textures and apply them directly to the frame parts as Craig (Kraellin) was explaining. It's really fun. If you like my frame patterns they are all generated within the filter itself so you can save them as Presets and use them again to apply to outside projects in your art program
Sorry if I mislead you... I think I was too tired to attempt to explain that earlier in the morning for me  ~Foxxee~
You are more than welcome to use and learn from my FF filters ;)
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Posted: August 30, 2007 2:41 pm |
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AutumnFantasy

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LOL Its OK. I kinda got the idea that what I wanted to do was impossible =) I'll think of something else.
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Posted: August 30, 2007 2:46 pm |
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Maybe someone needs to make a clear frame that can be brought over to PS or PSP and filled there.
Is that maybe what you are wanting?
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Posted: August 30, 2007 5:02 pm |
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AutumnFantasy

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Not really, but it might be handy =)
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Posted: August 30, 2007 6:04 pm |
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Ok, I will make one.
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Posted: August 30, 2007 6:42 pm |
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Now there's a neat idea!
You could make all sorts of styles too, with different sections for them to fill with different textures... inner and outer borders, inner and outer frame areas
Oh! and I just thought of something else... it would be easily stretchable to fit all sorts of un-square pictures without loosing any balance in the frame because it would be a 'blank' frame, no pattern to go all astray, a perfect frame every time  ~Foxxee~
You are more than welcome to use and learn from my FF filters ;)
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Posted: August 30, 2007 7:50 pm |
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Posted: August 30, 2007 8:05 pm |
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I get lost around here a lot when it comes to the technical stuff. Blush |
Did that sound all techno to you, Ahimsa
Well that's a first for me, it's usually me that says everyone else is doing that
Basically, I was just saying your idea of making 'blank' frames is a good one, then users can take them into their art programs and decorate accordingly as they wish with their own materials. Different sorts of 'blank' frames would come in handy for this.
I also was (trying to) explain that if you wanted to make the frames with outer edging (border) and inner edging (same) they could have 3 areas of that 'blank' frame to decorate. Maybe add a blank matting area too.
So, finally, when someone wanted to use that frame filter to fit to a picture they have in mind they would use that filter in FF the same as all of the others in FF, but now it will fit perfectly to any size image without any distortion to it's texture because it will not have texture, it will be blank ... sheeze... now I'm confusing myself   ~Foxxee~
You are more than welcome to use and learn from my FF filters ;)
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Posted: August 30, 2007 8:24 pm |
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I think my brain needs an upgrade or my blonde roots need a serious touchup.
rushes to store for brunette hair dye
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Posted: August 30, 2007 8:27 pm |
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ahimsa

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Actually, I am working on it right now, but I think something more simple than what you have in mind.
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Posted: August 30, 2007 8:29 pm |
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Well, you make some for Autumn and I'll make a blank one of what I'm talking about... ok?  ~Foxxee~
You are more than welcome to use and learn from my FF filters ;)
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Posted: August 30, 2007 8:30 pm |
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ahimsa

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Good idea!
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Posted: August 30, 2007 8:32 pm |
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AutumnFantasy

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Sounds like you both got great ideas... very cool, very useful =) Can't wait to see what you guys come up with.
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Posted: August 31, 2007 12:35 am |
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I submitted mine to the library a few hours ago so look for it tomorrow. Save the results as png files so you can use them as tubes.
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Posted: August 31, 2007 1:30 am |
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The filter is up and ready. Hope you can use it.
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Posted: August 31, 2007 3:40 am |
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The filter is up and ready. Hope you can use it. Smile |
Hi Ahimsa, Autumn (waves)
Me too... well, I mean I finally got mine made and have just submitted it. So it will hopefully be in the Filter Library Monday. Sorry for not being around today, been having a lot of pain in my right hand and was unable to do much of anything. Even though I'm left handed, I discoverd that I do in fact use my right hand for quite a lot of ordinary every day things... but it's feeling a little better so here I am
"Basic Frame Template Maker" will be a Snippet so any filter maker can freely use it within their own frame filters or other filter making projects.
Those that are not filter makers can make basic frame templates for use outside of Filter Forge in your favorite graphics program. Simply, it is a black and white frame that can be generated or manipulated to create different size and shaped sections of the frame for filling with your favorite textures and/or other filter effects.
Here is a pic of the 20 presets that will come with this filter:
Hope this will also be helpful to some   ~Foxxee~
You are more than welcome to use and learn from my FF filters ;)
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Posted: August 31, 2007 10:44 pm |
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Hey, I like yours much better than what I made. Can't wait to download it.
Sorry you were in pain today. What do you do for the pain?
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Posted: August 31, 2007 10:56 pm |
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Sorry you were in pain today. What do you do for the pain? |
It's from my neuropathy, so I can't take any more than I already am with my special meds to help control the pain that is always there 24/7... just have to deal with it by not doing anything much. Although I was able to use my left hand to finish these up
I guess Craig didn't tell any of you guys? Maybe you weren't here when he was... no worries though
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Posted: August 31, 2007 11:02 pm |
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I was wondering if a heating pad would help. When my legs start acting up I massage the blood down to the feet.
Tell us what?
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Posted: August 31, 2007 11:28 pm |
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Tell us what? |
Why I wasn't able to show up in the forum today... but it's no problem, I'm here now
~Foxxee~
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Posted: August 31, 2007 11:34 pm |
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AutumnFantasy

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Can't wait to try those out Foxxee, sorry, my PC hasn't been working right on the internet. When we finally got it working I was neck deep in doing some little arts. I get into those moods and don't bother with anythin else.
I get bad pains in my right leg too, so I know how that is. Sometimes it goes into my left and I can hardly walk. Hubby usually runs a hot bath for me since we don't got a heating pad =)
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Posted: September 5, 2007 8:47 am |
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fishshogun
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Great reading, I learned alot from that, you all are fantastic. I just got the program and i'm still stumbling but i'm addicted....lol........just what I needed. thanks, R
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Posted: September 27, 2007 12:47 pm |
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