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this looks pretty cool Miavir and I'm glad to hear no kalidescope was hurt in the making of this filter LOL smile:D
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Kraellin
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oh, very cool! i like stuff like this. i have no other use for it than that it is just cool to look at, but still very cool smile:)

and hopefully, this:
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Note: Produces weird results if the image is not square or the image size is not equal to the pixel size.
will be handled in version II of FF.
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jffe
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Psstt, make the background have an alpha/transparent switch control so people won't add it and you'll get credit for the usage. smile;)

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Miavir
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I'm glad you like. Feel free to spend as much time as you like looking at it. I have exactly 4 days left on my Trial period smile:D
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Miavir
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Psstt, make the background have an alpha/transparent switch control so people won't add it and you'll get credit for the usage. Wink

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The switch you are looking for is named 'Background Opacity', just turn it to 0 and you have what you need smile:-) Possibly also set 'Field Opacity' to 0 if you want the Field see-through also smile:-)
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Miavir
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and hopefully, this: Quote Note: Produces weird results if the image is not square or the image size is not equal to the pixel size. will be handled in version II of FF.


Me, I'd rather have the capability to make sure pixel size is set to image size whenever a preset is generated randomly smile:-p Btw, this being my second filter only (and my first was not accepted, though I am working on that), does any of you filter gurus out there have comments on what could be done better in this Filter ? I.E. does exactly the same thing in a diffrent but faster way ?
Also I wish there were a one component rotate available, if I didn't have to waste 17 components on what should really be a single component operation, this filter might be even spiffier (I would have inserted a 5 sided option instead of just the 4, 6, 8 and 12 sided options available now).
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Kraellin
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not quite sure what you mean by 'one component rotate'. do you mean a component that rotates your image flawlessly? if that's so, it's on the feature list. in the meantime, you can use the 'any angle rotate' snippet in the library.
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StevieJ
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Miavir wrote:
I have exactly 4 days left on my Trial period

Contact FF and ask for a time extension.....

Nice Filter!!! smile:)
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Miavir
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Contact FF and ask for a time extension.....

Nice Filter!!! Smile


Glad you like the filter, praise from someone with such a high filter count is always appreciated smile;) Dunno about the extension, is only fair I pay if I'm actually using the filter, but I don't want to get in the situation where I get a free license and I've allready paid smile:( One month is not enough to really get proficient enough at this to make the kind of filter everyone wants to see . Ah well, one tries smile:D

P.S. Kraellin, yes thats exactly what I meant. I already use that snippet, twice in fact. To make pentagons, I'd have to use 4, which would mean 34 components added just for one more shape, a tad too exorbitant, and would slow down the filter too much.
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StevieJ
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Miavir wrote:
One month is not enough to really get proficient enough

Very true......I've been at it for 9 months and I'm still learning new things....
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Miavir wrote:
about the extension, is only fair I pay if I'm actually using the filter, but I don't want to get in the situation where I get a free license and I've allready paid

Exactly.....and by the looks of it, you probably will get the free copy if you keep submitting them.....
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someone with such a high filter count

Half of them are just simple effect filters.....more or less like snippets for use in other filters....and alot of variants smile;) smile:)
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Kraellin
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i had a look inside this one, miavir. reminds me of something uberzev or crapadilla would make. quite involved. and as i started to go blind looking at this, i decided to close it up and leave it to better minds smile:)

i did notice a few things, though. you've got some other shapes in the early parts of that filter that you could exploit quite nicely, which dont show up in the later parts. and very clever, btw. i'm not good with making shapes like this, so i'm always quite impressed where others can do these like this.

and as for the any angle rotate, quite right; it does get cumbersome putting a lot of those in there. but, i'm pretty sure the future will see a remedy for all that. i do remember discussions in the forums about this. so, i'm fairly sure we'll see something down the road.
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Miavir
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i had a look inside this one, miavir. reminds me of something uberzev or crapadilla would make.

Is that bad or good though ? smile:D
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quite involved. and as i started to go blind looking at this, i decided to close it up and leave it to better minds smile:)

Hey, it just kinda grew that way over the space of a week. Its not that hard once you separate out the logical bits, first the bit that makes the basic shapes, then turns those and recombines them with each other for more interesting shapes, then the last bit that colors them, combines in things like frame and field and such, and then spits it into the image creator.

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i did notice a few things, though. you've got some other shapes in the early parts of that filter that you could exploit quite nicely, which dont show up in the later parts. and very clever, btw. i'm not good with making shapes like this, so i'm always quite impressed where others can do these like this.

Well, mostly it just started with the simple idea of having a circle of circles overlapping inside a bigger circle, that idea came from elsewhere. Then when I had them working the way they were supposed to, I noticed other interesting things. For instance, the shape change by corner roundness just came about by accident. I hit the wrong slider, and HEY, thats interesting ! Lets keep it ! smile:D
As to seeing a shape in there not showing later,... try changing the 'style select' and see if I don't use it in a diffrent style. I don't think I have a preset that shows off style 5 for instance (set a bit of 'Field Reflective' to see what that does, style 5 doesn't look diffrent than 3 unless the field is reflective). If its not in there,... drop me a mail with a pic of the one you mean and I'll get it in there somehow smile;) smile:)
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ronviers
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Hey Miavir – this is amazing! Such an ambitious project for your first filter – I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with next. smile:D

Nice job. smile:)
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Kraellin
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Is that bad or good though ?
trust me, it's a compliment smile:)

ok, i managed to trim 14 components from this, dropping the rendering time on my machine from 4 min 44 secs to 3 min 11 seconds. that was on the default preset with anti-aliasing left on. so, no tricks of just turning off anti-aliasing smile:)

and, i only have one caveat in the re-working. the presets are slightly different now. i think i forgot to hook up one control somewhere, but it's very close to the same look, just some slightly different variations of the original presets. if you can find that one control and hook it back up it might be the same.

you'll also have to forgive the fact that when i saved the new versions, FF automatically changes the author from you to me. just change that back to you if you decide to use it. and do feel free to use this as yours. a nod to me in the description would be nice, but not necessary.

Amulet rev 1e.ffxml
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Miavir
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ronviers wrote:
Hey Miavir – this is amazing! Such an ambitious project for your first filter – I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with next. smile:D

Nice job. Smile


Thanks for your compliments. If truth be told, its my third filter though, the first was a rework of Persidio's Gold Chain that I'm not sure is diffrent enough from it to merrit reposting. The second <sigh> just got rejected the second time smile:-p And I thought I had the render time problem under control this time around. Oh well, if you dont at first suceed, try try again. That is for tomorrow though smile:)

As to ambitious, nah, that might go for the rejected filter, this filter is just a small trick with lots of feeps and cotrols added. It took me about a week to make Amulett, whereas I've been working on the other one for almost the full month.

What I come up with next we'll see, I have a few Ideas, but might need to wait to relize them, two days left on trial period. Can anyone tell me roughly how long it takes for a filter to reach 'high' usage rate,.. if it ever will ?
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Miavir
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Kraellin wrote:
ok, i managed to trim 14 components from this, dropping the rendering time on my machine from 4 min 44 secs to 3 min 11 seconds. that was on the default preset with anti-aliasing left on. so, no tricks of just turning off anti-aliasing smile:-)


OK, sounds good, I will take a look at it tomorrow, but allready thanks muchly for your time and effort, should help me learn technique to see where my own efforts can be improved upon.
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Miavir
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Kraellin wrote:
ok, i managed to trim 14 components from this, dropping the rendering time on my machine from 4 min 44 secs to 3 min 11 seconds. that was on the default preset with anti-aliasing left on. so, no tricks of just turning off anti-aliasing smile:)


Ok, had a closer look at your changed version. First off, neat idea of doing what I do though blends through a Profile gradient. Sadly though, it doesn't quite work, the problems only show up if Spoke Excentricity is set to something other than zero. Since I don't have many presets using that, no wonder you missed it. However, look at preset 15 to see the diffrence.

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Kraellin wrote:
and, i only have one caveat in the re-working. the presets are slightly different now. i think i forgot to hook up one control somewhere, but it's very close to the same look, just some slightly different variations of the original presets. if you can find that one control and hook it back up it might be the same.



That turned out to be several things at once. First off, you reduced 'Spoke Pattern Select' from haveing 6 values to choose from to only 4, and at that, setting to 4 gave you the pattern that used to be on 5, so all presets with patterns 4-6 looked diffrent. Second. the Threshold you inserted near the start shaved width off the spoke circles, making them look diffrent. Third, the presets seem to have had several values all reset to starting values, namely Spoke Bevel Select, Spoke Width, Spoke Shape, Spoke Size, Spoke Radius Offset, Spoke Excentricity, and Frame Bevel Select. After that, it was no wonder things looked off. I've updated your version to do the spoke pattern correctly, and copied in the correct values for Presets 1,2,and 15 by hand. Then removed the spoke width shaving, but I'm not sure that Spoke Excentricity can be done the way you did without putting the components you removed right back in. Anyhow, here is that modified version if you want to have a look (it also has some other experimental stuff smile:-):

Amulet rev 1f.ffxml
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Kraellin
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ok, i figured that missing control was going to cause problems smile:)

i tried out your new one, version 1f. it's now 6 min, 49 secs. so, it's actually slower than the original. you've also got one anomoly right in the middle. in that inner octagon where the center is all blue. the outer ring to that now doesnt seem to match up as well in the top half to the bottom half symmetrically. tricky stuff, this. but it does make for some damn good practice smile:)
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Miavir
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in that inner octagon where the center is all blue. the outer ring to that now doesnt seem to match up as well in the top half to the bottom half symmetrically.


I don't follow what you are talking about ? Which preset and where ?

At any rate, since the modded version is now slower than the original, no need to keep working with it when the original is better.
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Kraellin
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well, if nothing else, it was an interesting exercise for me and perhaps you got something out of it as well and if so, then it was worth the time and effort even if i didnt quite 'correct' the speed smile:) i noticed at the end of working on all this that i could now look at the filter effect and go, 'oh, ok, that's that leg and that's that leg of the filter, and yeah, that effect was created in that grouping...' and so on. made total sense to me then smile:)
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Miavir
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well, if nothing else, it was an interesting exercise for me and perhaps you got something out of it as well and if so, then it was worth the time and effort even if i didnt quite 'correct' the speed smile:)


For me, it showed me that trick of using a Profile gradient to Blend, which was worthwile in itself. Anyhow, wish me luck on the next two filters I'm submitting smile:-)
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Kraellin
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cool beans smile:)
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Miavir
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I did NOT expect this to hit HU anymore so long after posting. Thanks people, you know who you are smile:)
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Kraellin
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this just goes to show that anything, well done, with a high aesthetic value like this fitler has, will tend to get downloaded and used. aesthetics sell.
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