Morgantao
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Posted: October 21, 2011 3:40 am | ||||||
Morgantao
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Posted: October 21, 2011 3:46 am | ||||||
Morgantao
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Posted: October 21, 2011 3:59 am | ||||||
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Great work!
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Posted: October 21, 2011 9:28 pm | ||||||
Carl
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I think it needs more, a few splotches doesn't cut it, does it look like an olde print? no not really
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Posted: October 22, 2011 9:37 am | ||||||
Morgantao
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To tell you the truth it's not quite there yet. I still have plans for this filter, but I think I need to learn alot more about filters to get there.
This filter is supposed to mimic a $100 photoshop plug-in. They claim to have "spent thousands of hours developing their one of a kind plug-in". I only spent about 6 so far ![]() Can you show me examples of what you mean regarding color degradation and line abnormalities? Anyway, I would love to colaborate with one of the "heavy" filter makers that actualy know what they're doing, to get this filter to the next level. If anyone is interested, do tell ![]() |
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Posted: October 22, 2011 10:59 am | ||||||
Kraellin
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perhaps posting up a real world picture of the effect you're trying to make here would help. got an old life magazine or something you could scan and post here?
If wishes were horses... there'd be a whole lot of horse crap to clean up!
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Posted: October 22, 2011 12:41 pm | ||||||
Morgantao
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I don't have any real life examples, so all I have to show you is the plug-in I'm trying to immitate.
The problem is, I don't want to put a link here to a competing product (Altho I'm not sure it falls under the definision of competition). The other thing I could do is post pictures from their website that show the effects of the plug-in (Which is what I was using to make my filter), but I don't know about the legalities asociated with that... I guess I'll need some advice, preferably someone from FF inc, to tell me how to do it. |
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Posted: October 22, 2011 1:20 pm | ||||||
Carl
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sorry that was a bit harsh on your first filter.
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Posted: October 22, 2011 5:50 pm | ||||||
Morgantao
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LOL, that's ok, as I said it's not quite there yet.
I don't mind critique, it's important for learning how to create better filters. |
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Posted: October 22, 2011 8:15 pm | ||||||
SpaceRay
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Hello, congratulations on your first filter, but as said by Carl, I too think that it needs more damage, worn and aging. And I think what you want to imitate is like retro wash technique, isn´t it?
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please, which one of the 15 image effects of the 100$ photoshop filter are you trying to emulate and imitate ? or is it the deluxe version that has lots more in texture packs? (if you do not want to tell it here you can email me) Because in all this filters they are heavy applying a lot of aging and degrading transparent texture overlaid on the original image. And I do not think that you are trying to emulate the press effects they have. By the way, with the 100$ you spend you get a lot of filter effects BUT all are about the same thing and are different presets and types of similar effects, and with FF you can have MUCH MORE filters and effects of ALL KIND and very differently between them, are created by FF, and not only a overlay, so FF is better in some way.
You can´t compare yourself with them, because although is they have many lots of filters and effects created and is not just one as you, so it takes much more time, and they have great experience and skills in doing it as they have been working on this since 2004!!!,so can´t compare 7 years to 6 hours, and more important is that they surely are a team and group of persons so can share the work and experience, and you are only one that wishing to learn how to make this kind of effects. So is bad thing to compare with them because you would feel loosing, and this is not true. Also another important thing is that I think that they are using already premade textures that are overlaid with blend modes in photoshop, and so is much easier, than making FF create the texture without using a premade one. So I encourage you and please continue learning and searching how to create and emulate the effect you want, and have clear where you want to reach and which is your goal. For inspiration perhaps you could be interested in this article here: http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/vintage-...tutorials/ |
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Posted: October 23, 2011 12:31 am | ||||||
Kraellin
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there really arent any products that compete with filter forge completely. and, as i recall, the developers have given us a green light in the past to talk about and post links to folks like genetica and so on. so, it's not a bit deal. post your link.
pictures are another thing. you really do need to observe copyright laws there. now, i'm really not one to preach on that subject. i've used others pics before, but still, getting permission if you dont know if it's ok is always a good idea. If wishes were horses... there'd be a whole lot of horse crap to clean up!
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Posted: October 23, 2011 2:43 am | ||||||
SpaceRay
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Yes, Is true I have not been able to find any kind of complete that can make all the things that FF can do, there are many plugin companies that can make beautiful effects and filters but this is only a samll part of what FF can do, and FF have more than 500 photo effects filters wich no other company I know have.
Ok, if you say that is allowed to put links to other commercial companies I will put the link to the one I think that Morgantao is talking about, perhaps I am wrong, and he knows another one. http://www.misterretro.com/filters here is all the filters they make and sell. |
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Posted: October 23, 2011 4:12 am | ||||||
Morgantao
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OK, fine, you got me SpaceRay
![]() I was actually trying to emulate Mr. Retro's Permanent press plug-in. As you can see in their examples, there's no wear and tear or aging going on at all. The goal is to make something that looks like it just came off the press, just an old press. Also, the effect i'm most interested in replicating is shown on the first 2 pictures. Spaceray is right about them overlaying some texture on the "inked" parts of the image, which is what I did with noise. BTW, setting the pixel size to a low value in my filter will get you pretty close to that effet. The main difference in their plug-in, is that they have a way to set the number of color plates you want to use (between 1 and 10) and with whatever ink color you want (not CMYK, but Brown, Cyan, skin tone and black in the moses example). Best is to have a look at the interface of permanent press to see what i'm talking about. I currently don't know how to do that in FF. If anyone is interested in a trial version you can contact me, and we'll sort this out, but looking at the interface link should be more than enough. |
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Posted: October 23, 2011 5:02 am | ||||||
Indigo Ray
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I have a method I found a little while ago to simulate print-making. Basically, for each "ink color" that you input, blend the color with your image in "difference" mode (the dark areas are the ones where the image matches the ink color). Then use a threshold to isolate those dark areas and map them to the ink color. You can blend sets of these together to get multi-tone prints.
I guess that's even simpler than my CMYK snippet. ![]() |
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Posted: October 23, 2011 1:31 pm | ||||||
Morgantao
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Not sure what you mean by that... you mean I can blend blue and red to get purple, for example? Other questions I have: * Is there a way to get FF to determine the "base" colors on itself, based on the loaded image? * Is there a way for the users (in the settings) to decide how many plates they want? If yes - how? if no - then I suppose I hard code 6 plates in the filter and have an on/off alpha setting for each plate, making it 100% or 0% visible. I'm guessing there's no way to make an "eye dropper" tool for the user to pick his own colors to use, right? EDIT: Check the attached file, is that what you ment in your last post? The main problem I have is that the order of colors is VERY important to get the right result. If you use the same colors in a different order, you get undesired results. I'm guessing this is because I'm using the wrong blend mode, but I couldn't find anything that works better. In the presets I also added CMYK variations, and none of them get me anywhere close to your CMYK snippet, no matter what blend mode I use. Graphoto.ffxml |
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Posted: October 23, 2011 4:47 pm | ||||||
Morgantao
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Hate to bump an old post, but I still want to make this filter better, and the above questions remain unanswered...
If any one can help, please post here or email me, because I'm eager to learn. Thanks! |
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Posted: October 29, 2011 4:25 pm | ||||||
Indigo Ray
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Yep, that's what I meant, except for one thing:
Think realistically about actual print-making. If you put an ink layer on top of another layer, it will cover whatever's behind it. Order does very much matter. Wouldn't the "normal" blend mode do this? By "blend" I mean layering, not mixing colors. Although, you could make a cool effect using other blend modes... Also, some controls on the thresholds would be useful (lets the user pick how much of each color to use). My CMYK snippet breaks an image up into 4 "channels". I have no clue how to break up an image into "x"# of channels of user-selected colors. That's why I can't replicate the CMYK snippet with "graphoto". No, FF can't pick the colors for you, it can't let you choose how many colors to pick (unless you do the method you already discovered), and there's no eye-dropper in the normal window (but there is one in the filter editor, or you can use a "look-up" component to select a specific pixel and use that as a color). Hope this helps. ![]() |
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