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Hello, if you are reading this is because you may be interested in making Filter Forge (FF) filters and want to learn how to do it, if yes, congratulations on deciding going the good step from just using filters to want begin to learn, understand and want to create your own or also to modify already existing ones.

Please, if anyone knows any other useful information or links about this topìc, feel free to put it here also. Thanks

Where do I begin to learn about it ?

Well I think that the best is to start knowing what all the FF components of the filter editor do and what they are made for using the official
Detailed explanation of FF filter components

The there is the FF filters Beginner's Cookbook

Then read the useful and interesting
The DOs and DON'Ts of Filter Construction

And to make your filters so that they work in the best way and faster is also interesting this other thread Optimizing Filters for Speed

And also interesting to read is the well done
Hints, tips, and tricks for FF filters

Then if you want you can read the other parts of the FF Wiki

OPEN AND LOOK INSIDE ALREDY EXISTING FILTERS WITH FILTER EDITOR

After knowing what the components are and what they do, one of the best ways of learning to create filters is to examine and open already made existing filter examples to see how components works together and react with each other

To do this, you only have to open your choosen filter, and then go to the top right and click on the "Filter Editor" button and choose "Edit this filter"

Maybe you you can start with simple and easy filters and then start step by step look at more complex ones.

I found this filter that is made for beginner´s filter makers LEARNING I - First steps by ALZHEM

I think that making FF filters is in some way similar to cooking food, you can go to the supermarket and you will find there lots of ingredients, and you know what they are and what they do, and then you have to learn to how to combine them and the best way to cook them together and when to use them.

This is why I made this other thread
How do you know what components to choose to do what you want in FF ?

Also another very helpful and useful resource of additional "ingredients" for your own filters are the Snippets that are small filters that you can use freely in your own filters and can mix them, you will find them here:

Texture Snippets Category

Effects Snippets Category

The difference between the two is that the first one are self-generated effects WITHOUT any needed image input, and the second is any filter containing an Image or a Selection so it goes to the Effects category, you can read more in this other thread

Why there is TWO snippet categories ?

COMPILATION OF THREADS

Learning Filter Forge

Very Basic Creating Filters Tutorial for very first FF beginners

In this one below GMM have put 4 links to some FF tutorials on others websites

New to FF and wondering

Skybase have made two video tutorials available here

And also Skybase has made this other video tutorial for the new FF 4.0 Loop component

FilterForge Tutorial: Loops Part 01

My Filter Forge tutorials by Totte

Excelent and very well done tutorial done in PDF about how to make your own shapes inside FF
Working on Shapes Tutorial

This well done article on this website
Filter Forge 3 Review: Create Your Own Filters

Mini Tutorial for using FF filters Batch render with Photoshop Actions

ASK IN THE FF FORUMS

One very good thing of the FF Forums are the very good people that is here wanting to help if they can, and so if you have already read the above links and have started to make your own filters and then do not know how to solve some things you can post your questions in the "creating filters" part of the forum

For example I made this sometime ago when I was beginning

Is it possible to have Multicolored Stripes for example Rainbow style

And as you can see I got a lot of help and was very good and helpful
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Skybase
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This thread can easily be a wiki page.
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SpaceRay
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This thread can easily be a wiki page.


Well, sorry that I do not know how to make a wiki page or modify any of the existing ones.

Perhaps and maybe would be more useful and easier to reach if it was a sticky thread here in the forum, and I think that the wiki is not much viewed and easy to see and reach as it is hidden and kept inside the "More..." tab
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Skybase
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All our threads and posts can use some editorial work anyway for readability, grammar, style, and otherwise.
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Skybase
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When I say "wiki" I wasn't talking about viewership or visibility, I was talking about readability and the ability to edit.

I don't mean to embarass or get picky with you, I just think the information presented needs a ton of organization, clarification, and editing. Here are some of the critical pointers that needs to be addressed:

I decided to take the time and properly dissect what I mean smile:)

1. The order of information matters a lot. When you're teaching a program, always start out with the basic idea, the concept of the program and not the "Detailed explanation of FF filter components" or the cookbook, or optimization techniques, or the dos and don'ts. Those pertain to the specifics of building a filter which the beginner hasn't even gotten to! smile:p There's little use pounding those in your head first hand.

2. Once again, the order of information is questionable, also there are some grammatical, punctuation, and styling errors.

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To do this, you only have to open your choosen filter, and then go to the top right and click on the "Filter Editor" button and choose "Edit this filter"

Maybe you you can start with simple and easy filters and then start step by step look at more complex ones.


Here's what that statement sounds like to me: "Ok, open the filter you chose, open the editor. Maybe you should pick simpler filters over complex ones." That was honestly strange.... I think you meant "Open the filter and determine if the filter is too complex for you or not."

The issue is beginners don't really know what a complex filter is or what a simple filter is. You might as well provide a filter that's found to be relatively simple. Which you faithfully have: LEARNING I - First steps by ALZHEM. That filter's a pretty good starting point I think.
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3. Picky Things: Smoother transitioning to other ideas.
You then start discussing an analogy: that creating a filter is like cooking something. Then you link us to a thread: "How do you know what components to choose to do what you want in FF ?" then you go back talking about Snippets.

I get what you're trying to say here!! But I think the part needs further clarification through transition. I just feel the writing didn't provide enough there to establish a clear picture how any of those can be useful to a beginner.

But this doesn't mean "write more to fill the gap" it means write with clarity.

4. Summary
Overall, I think it's important that you organize material in a comprehensible, coherent order. You need to build people into understanding the program, which your post fails to. You have a slew of blatant grammatical, stylistic errors, and missing punctuation that contribute to the overall fuzzing of the writing itself. You need to check your material before hand if you're going to post guides for others to read.

As much as the post is a collection of your experiences, past words of wisdom, and your understanding, you're trying to present people with knowledge. When you're standing on the stage to teach people, you need a voice that means something. Currently, your post is a rough draft of thoughts and ideas strung together with a very thin line.

You have to be careful when you make posts like this. Remember, your goal as a teacher is to teach knowledge, as much as you learn from teaching others, it is also their time you're taking.

In my experience of teaching, I've run into another teacher failing to teach his students. I read his workshop material... and I didn't understand what was going on. It as simply just not-so-great writing, confusing ideas, conflicting thoughts, and it came to me as something not presentable. I worked with him later and we came up with a better course for CGI! smile:)

I'm not saying don't do it. I'm saying your inability to correct flaws, grammar, out-dated material, and other inconsistencies prevents others from achieving their goals in learning the program. The forum environment was simply never built for content that needs constant updating, editing, and care.

Don't be afraid to try new writing mediums (blogs, wiki, and others). I know you have issues with them but you aren't helping at all if your information looks like a giant scavenger hunt! smile:)

Let me leave you on a positive note: it's not like a bad thing you're trying to teach others. What I'm saying is pretty much "you need to fix the way you make these posts. You need to think differently about them. You need to care for the people you write for." And that's really all I'm saying. I'm sometimes hard on people, but I want things to be better. smile;)
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SpaceRay
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Skybase

When I say "wiki" I wasn't talking about viewership or visibility, I was talking about readability and the ability to edit.


OH, I see, you wanted to have the original text to be able to make it better and edit it yourself and in the future add more things if needed and that is not a mess of posts.

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I don't mean to embarass or get picky with you, I just think the information presented needs a ton of organization, clarification, and editing.


No, I think that you are right, I have made all this thread in the best way I could think of, and have organized thinking of others persons and in the best way I thought was good, and I did read it all twice, but surely is not done right as you have already pointed out well and I agree with you with all the wrong parts.

I am very sorry that I do not have such good and great teaching skills as you have and when trying to help I do it wrongly

MAKE A WIKI INSTEAD

As I do not know how to make a wiki page I have been reading the Wiki help for editing and will see if I can make it following these instructions.
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Skybase
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Yes but this doesn't mean just "write a wiki article". Remember, the wiki has a much strict standard than your average forum. It's a place where information exists in a orderly fashion, which is why people use it in the first place. I don't mod this place but your forum habits and manners are ... well... poor and they don't exhibit the wiki-standard or quality. So you should improve them as much as you should improve yourself.

Some common rules of most internet forums:
Don't excessively bump past threads.
Don't excessively sensationalize thread titles and content.
Link only when really relevant.
Don't flood threads (considered serious spam on some forums, normally subject to ban even if intentions are good.)
Don't post the same content more than once, even if they're written differently or have different responses.

Again, I don't "mod" any forum but most of these forum behaviors aren't tolerated elsewhere! So consider these forums kinda like a bit of heaven smile:p Really.

I think in the end I'm basically just knocking you around and hoping you'd improve something. And whether that'd be writing in the wiki with proper formatting or making a filter or even doing art, there's always something that would change you inside out. Oh well. Hope you get me.

smile:D
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Aside all my discussion above.... SpaceRay ... I'm no stranger to being critical with life and everything. My personality basically attempts to fix "problems" all the time. I have a ton of critical habit issues myself that need to be solved soon. haha. I'm like a walking bank of problems. smile:p

And back to the original idea...
I donno, in the end I'm wondering if it's appropriate for the wiki to host an article regarding beginners. I keep thinking it's redundant... or is it? Might need to dig out some official articles if there are any, doesn't appear like FF hosts more (for now). smile:| Either way this project's getting my hyped. I might actually give it a shot after all. But no promises. smile;)
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SpaceRay
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Sorry that I have tried to learn how to use the Wiki, although is not difficult and I could do it, I do not have yet the experience and time to do it right as it deserves and as you are suggesting, but will try to do it.

I will put here also some thread that I consider useful for beginners that do not know of some hiden interesting "secrets"

________1 - HOW FF COMPONENST VERSIONS WORK _________________

Is there a way to know what is the version of a component?

The best of this thread is to learn the following

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Remember: latest version of a component = has no number


I did not know how the components version numbers worked and it was different than I thought and I like the way it works as it is easy to use and to spot new and old components

________2 - EXPLAINING BETTER THE LOOKUP COMPONENT_______

The Secret of Lookup component

________3 - CRACKING AND BRANCHING TECHNIQUES____________

If you already have some experience with making filter you can try to this tips and techniques

Cracking and Branching Techniques

________4 - ADVANCED TECHNIQUES BY THE INUJIMA EXPERT_______

Inujima's Tips, Tricks and some filters

______5 - SOME COOL NOISE FILTERS EXAMPLES BY SKYBASE EXPERT____

Skybase - Sharing Noise filter examples

_______6 - 13 PAGES AROUND THE NOISE COMPONENTS AND IDEAS_____

Noise Lab
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SpaceRay
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Sorry that I still do not know HOW to make this thread available in the WIKI, as it would be much better to find it, but still do not know how to post in the wiki, as it is a different way.

I have put a new thread about learning to use the filter editor and how to combine the different FF components to build your own filter

Learning to create filters understanding how to combine components

GEEKATPLAY TUTORIALS ABOUT FF COMPONENTS INSIDE FILTER EDITOR

And a very good thing from that thread is that Geekatplay has already made a very good amount of tutorial about the FF components as you can see here

Geekatplay Filter Forge Filter Editor components tutorials

MORE THREADS FROM THE FORUM

Here in this other thread I am explaining the very basic things to know about how filter forge works and the things to know for someone that have never used filter forge and does not know how it works

Need Help Understanding Filter Forge

Looking for Help to get Started makeing Filters

BACKUP YOUR FILTERS

And after making the filters you want, it would be good and safe to make a backup of them

Guide to how to backup your FF filters library from your hard drive

WHAT INFORMATION IS SAVED WITH THE PRESET?

What settings and configurations are stored inside the Filter Presets?

LEARNING MORE ABOUT HOW TO USE COLOR CONTROLS

Short tutorial on How to use "Color control" component to load images
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There's already a curated "tutorial" page on the FF website. - [edit] That thing can use a significant update.

I also feel your tutorials need will require significant rewrite, fact verification, technical check before making a wikipage. Oh you'll learn XD we can talk all day long about the technical stuff haha.
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There's already a curated "tutorial" page on the FF website


Do you mean the one in the "More" part?

This is good but as you say it needs an update and I have already seen these tutorials.

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I also feel your tutorials need will require significant rewrite, fact verification, technical check before making a wikipage


YES! I agree with you that the tutorials and guides I have made are not at all perfect, and could be done better, mostly not well done, and must be rewritten again and checked before putting them in the wiki to really help in a good way to someone and do not confuse things.
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I put this thread again to help possibly to any new beginner to filter forge that want to have some more information on how to start using filter forge

If anyone knows any other thread or link that could be put here to is free to put it here also

For more advanced uses and when having more experience

Hints and Tips on how to get the most out of the Loop component

Skybase idea of using component result as source for same component

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This thread can easily be a wiki page


As I can´t do a wiki page, maybe it could be put a link to this thread in the FF wiki page
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SpaceRay
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I think that this thread can be useful and interesting for new filter forge user that may be starting now and want to know more about it and how it works, specially if you are using the trial version to see if you want to buy it or not
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SpaceRay
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If anyone can add and put here any help for beginners and some more tips and useful and helpful thing will be welcomed

Thanks very much
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I have found this video that is for FF 7 in 2018 that may be useful for someone starting in FF

Filter Forge tutorials: creating Glow filter

I have found this link that I think may be useful for beginners

www.davidebarranca.com introducing-filter-forge-for-photoshop

This is an article from 2013 but I think is useful anyway
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DJI
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Hey SpaceRay! I've never seen this page before, thanx for doing all this smile:D
"Art is quite useless." Oscar Wilde
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SpaceRay
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I am thinking about updating and plan to do other helping thing thats may be useful

Here I have found this list of tutorials about using Filter Forge with Photoshop to do specific things

https://design.tutsplus.com/categories/filter-forge

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Hey SpaceRay! I've never seen this page before, thanx for doing all this


Thanks very much, great that you like it and find it interesting
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