Be able to move and organize the filter presets in 4.0

I think that this is very important and is a great problem (at least for me) and would be really good if this could be done in some possible way FF inc. could think of and would be helpful and great.

I have been trying much to make this through XML editors but is really a big pain to do it this way

PLEASE, PLEASE, make something about this

THANKS A MILLION

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Vladimir Golovin wrote elsewhere: Groups are the second-biggest rewrite of FF codebase (the biggest one was the Mac version), so let's fix the bugs first and add convenience stuff later.

The quintessential FF4 Beta quote!

I think what Vladimir was trying to say is that groups will provide FF team with enough work to last untill FF6 Not just the next beta stage.

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Crapadilla Personally, I tend to agree. I'd always prefer "feature-complete" over "convenience-complete". First and foremost, I want to be able to "do more" with FF, meaning I'd like FF to expand its image-generation capabilities.

I personally ALSO agree with you and also prefer to be able to "do more" with FF, meaning that it could have more features and interesting and useful to use that could help much in the image manipulation or self-generation BUT

This is why I have asked

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Does the new filter manager and customization of filter browser also will include some kind of customization for the filter presets?

The filter manager is already a full feature and the presets are INSIDE the filter manager, so I think is not a crazy idea and a thing aout of place to think that rebuilding and making the new filter manager COULD also add new options to the presets part of the interface.

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Crapadilla wrote: Hate to burst SpaceRay's bubble, but - judging from my past experience - "convenience stuff" like this is really very unlikely to be implemented anytime soon

I know nothing about coding and have no interest in it, but maybe it isn't that simple and that it would take many man hours to do

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Carl I know nothing about coding and have no interest in it, but maybe it isn't that simple and that it would take many man hours to do

I also do not know about coding and have tried to learn something but do not like it at all.

Yes, is probably not something very simple, BUT do not think that this would be very complex thing, specially when they are already making a new filter manager, and I think that the presets are included in the filter manager, although perhaps not in the same way.

ONLY MANY HOURS? It depends on HOW MANY hours would it mean, 10 or 100?

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Skybase Can't arrange my presets in a rainbow!

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Morgantao SR, I can't know for sure, but I think the filter manager and the presets have nothingn to do with eachother.

Yes I agree and you may be right that they are not related and are shown on the same place but do not work toghether and do not do the same things as one is to organize the filter library and the other is only related to the presets of the filters, so you would need a preset manager instead of a filter manager

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Think of the new filter manager as windows explorer. It can move files fr om one place to another, it can delete files, it can create shortcuts to files, it can make new folders or remove existing folders. But it can't edit files. To edit a file you need notepad. FF works in the same way. The filter manager will be able to help you organize your filters, but it can't edit them. To rearange presets, you need to edit the filter's FFXML file. That's something only the filter editor can do.

I agree much with all of this and is true all and is right BUT I do not agree and think is wrong that you NEED the filter editor to edit and rearrange the presets.

Why? Because in the main interface of FF, outside of Filter Editor you can already EDIT the presets with the options available of:

Add Preset Modifies the FFXML file
Apply Preset Read the information from FFXML file
Update Preset Modifies the FFXML file
Delete Preset Modifies the FFXML file

Following your well example and as far as I know to Add or update a preset you NEED to edit the filter´s FFXML file of the filter to be able to change or add the new information of the preset, so this is not only done in the filter editor.

ADD COPY AND PASTE PRESETS INSTEAD OF DRAG AND DROP OF THE PRESETS

So, as said, if you already CAN update the presets and with this edit the FFXML´s filter and can read from it from outside the Filter Editor, there could be possibly easily ADD a two new options to that menu that could be COPY PRESET and PASTE PRESET

COPY: would read the information and be able to paste this information in another position of the preset list, and the ONLY change for this is just to change the number position of the preset, and also think it would also need to change the position of the others presets involved as you would be inserting this in the middle of others.

PASTE: To select the place wh ere you want to paste the copied preset you could just select the preset thumbnail wh ere you want to paste it and this new preset would be added to the right or to the left (always one of the two) of this preset selected

Would this option of copy and paste be so really complex, hard and difficult to make ?

As said it would be good to have a drag´n´drop option better, BUT if this is not possible and is much work a more simple copy and paste would be able to do the same and would not mean making a preset manager

I'd rather see just drag and drop management of presets, it's a logical step forward compared to copy-and-paste. And "copy-and-paste" partially exists if you just add preset without changing the settings around. It'd be duplicate functionality in a way.

Basically what I mean by "partial."

I vote drag and drop if this were going in.

/mod hat on.

Removed "please, please" from the topic title.

/mod hat off.

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Vladimir Golovin /mod hat on. Removed "please, please" from the topic title. /mod hat off.

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Vladimir Golovin 1. Copy/Paste, as an interface idiom, isn't applicable to presets because it presumes the ability to copy / paste presets between different filters

Well I never thought to copy and paste presets BETWEEN filters and as said it would be impossible to do that, it would ONLY be for inside the same filter of course.

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Vladimir Golovin 2. Drag and drop is a logical solution, but there's a catch: when you're looking at a filter presets from the main window, some of the presets, namely the factory presets, a) aren't modifiable and b) are always sorted to the top of the list.

Of course that it would be MUCH better and more logical to have the drag´n´drop than the "cut and paste" I just said that IF it would be more easier and with less work, but I like much more the drag´n´ndrop solution.

And also of course that you should let the factory presets be FREE, and so they are no longer always at the top and without being able to be moved and so avoid any possible confusion, although you could still have the little triangle on user presets VS factory presets without the triangle.

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Vladimir Golovin 3. If we decide to rewrite the presets UI, we will be doing that in one big chunk, not as a dozen of features scattered across releases. Naming / labeling, reordering (a.k.a. drag and drop), duplicating, indicating what preset is currently shown in the preview, etcetera et cetera -- either we go the whole hog, or we don't touch it.

OH YES, this would be really wonderful and great and I agree with you to make it much better in this way and change it in whole and having available all the possible features, although this would mean more time and much more work, although would be surely worth it.

. . yeup. Now I feel like I should design a filter with no presets at all.

Now is already 2 years after the last post on this thread and still there is no news about this for FF 5.0

Will this much requested feature be included in FF 5.0?

Will finally Vladimir Golovin finally decided that is time already to rewrite the presets as he suggested

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Vladimir Golovin 3. If we decide to rewrite the presets UI, we will be doing that in one big chunk, not as a dozen of features scattered across releases. Naming / labeling, reordering (a.k.a. drag and drop), duplicating, indicating what preset is currently shown in the preview, et cetera et cetera -- either we go the whole hog, or we don't touch it.

I think that this feature would motivate much to upgrade to FF 5.0

Rejoice, SpaceRay everyone, you can now drag and drop presets!
You can also select a bunch of presets while holding Shift and move several presets at once.

https://filterforge.com/more/news/1075.html

It has happened. Edit: it has happened in the best possible way. Amazing work!

WOW! I can´t believe that after 4 years waiting this is available.


Thanks very much for making it finally for FF 6.0, is very good and well done, works very well, and is very useful.

And is good that is only available for custom presets and not for factory presets to avoid possible confusion, and is easy to identify the custom presets as they have the triangle in top right corner.

being picky, as was suggested by Vladimir, Naming/Labeling is not included, but having drap and drop is really great and a dream come true

Yes, the feature turned out surprisingly well - especially how well it works with multiple selected presets. I tested it on a filter with a hundred or so random presets, and within about 30 seconds I was able to sort them out in an orderly way. Also, it works well even if there are more presets than are visible in the preset window - it will scroll automatically when you drag a preset beyond the window frame.