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Aliel
Aliel
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I am in love with this program based on the trial version... but am wondering before I buy it - can I use this on my laptop & pc without paying for 2 copies? OR - if my laptop dies (which happened with my last one...) would I be able to reinstall the program on a new computer without paying for it all over again?

I did a search before posting this topic, but couldn't find any answer?

Hopefully someone can help me before I spend the $300 to buy the software.

Thanks heaps!!!
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StevieJ
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Hi Aliel smile:)

You would have to pay for two copies to have it on two machines.....but you can transfer/re-install the program if something goes wrong on your computer.....
Steve

"Buzzards gotta eat...same as worms..." - Clint :)
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Aliel
Aliel
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Thanks heaps! I guess that's fair enough - otherwise people could give it out to everyone. As long as I know I can reinstall in case of computer melt down.... smile;)

Thanks again for your help - have just ordered!

x Aliel
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StevieJ
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You're welcome..... smile:)

Oh, and if you choose to participate and submit some of your filter creations here, 5 filters going to "high usage" rank would give you lifetime upgrades to the program..... smile;) smile:)
Steve

"Buzzards gotta eat...same as worms..." - Clint :)
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Aliel
Aliel
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As soon as I am competent - I will be more than happy to share!

I can't believe how easily these filters turn my good photos into amazing photos!! Love it love it love it. Some talented people out there.

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ScaryKitty
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What? Isn't there a "fair usage" idea like Photoshop has? I.e: one copy on a desktop and one on a laptop (for mobile forging) with the understanding that only one version would be in use at any time. This seems like a very common sense idea to me, but perhaps I'm just an anarcho-iconoclast, commie, bleeding-heart scofflaw...or some such. smile;)

Any responses from the high muckety-mucks? smile:?:
Kat

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Kraellin
Kraellin

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there is already a thread that covered this answer and with vlad's input, i might add.

myself, i've always been of the mind that if i bought it, i own it and therefore shld be able to use it on any number of machines. it's mine. hehe, but, in the real world, that often doesnt work out very well. that says that as a single purchaser i could use it on a thousand machines in a render factory, yet pay for only one, and i can certainly see where that isnt very fair to the manufacturer. but, as a single user, and mostly non-commercial at that, i wouldnt have any qualms about using it on a second machine or even a third, providing i maintained that non-commercial status, wasnt giving out copies to friends and also contributing filters to the library. but, that's my own ethics on the matter and not the legality of the thing.
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Craig
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Rawn (RawArt)
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having just bought a new computer i didnt mind getting the second copy of FF...but I think the lifetime updates I already bought for my fisrt liscense should be able to transfer to my copy on my new machine...cuz my old machine will undoubtably be phased out of the work cycle soon

Rawn
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jffe
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I don't need to run FF on 2 machines, but really, not allowing someone who owns/bought/earned/won a license to use it on 2 machines for their own work, is kind of silly. It seems like bad karma to be that 'tight fisted' really, while it is up to the developers, it makes no sense to limit what a paying customer can do with your product in most cases (or limit when/where they can use it at least). Just my 2 cents (well, less really, since I won/earned my copy) smile:p smile:D

jffe
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ScaryKitty
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Kraellin:

I agree with your ethics here, though I would argue that the non-commercial status (as well as contributing or not to the filter library) is moot if you use FF the way I outlined in my first comment.

As for "render farms," anyone could set up something like that, whether having more than one copy of FF were "allowed" or not. It's called piracy, and people will either do it or not. What I'm talking about is just having a second copy on a mobile computer, and only one computer running FF at a time.

Look at it this way: Say I have a copy of FF on my desktop PC. I work on some filters. Then I decide to go to the local coffee house to work some more. Technically, I could de-install FF from my desktop, install it on my laptop, then de-install and reinstall when I get home. Buy why bother? Using the copies one at a time is essentially the same as de-installation/reinstallation, but without the hassle.

It's all on the honour system, anyway, as there are no dongles or suchlike. Luckily, people like you and I are pretty honourable. smile;)


jffe:

Exactly. Letter or spirit of the law? I go for the spirit, myself. (And my 2¢ might actually be worth 2¢, as I did buy a standard copy of FF; I got my Pro update and lifetime upgrades with HUs. smile:D )
Kat

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Kraellin
Kraellin

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kat, it's more of a single user license, i'm talking about here. but, even that can be abused. a single user license basically says you bought the right to use this program, regardless of how many computers you put it on. but, if ONE other person touches that program on one of those computers, you are then in violation of the license. that's kind of what i wish we had here with FF, at least in the personal use arena.

but, it's all moot to me anyways; i really only run one computer these days. i have two old win98 machines, but i barely even turn them on any more smile:)
If wishes were horses... there'd be a whole lot of horse crap to clean up!

Craig
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WillBellJr
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I just discovered this program last nite while doing a search for "scifi textures" - so far I love it and I have my eye on the Buy Now button but I have to say, this saddens me to see that the license only covers use ONE computer.

I have a laptop and a desktop and currently ALL of the software I use allows installation on 2 machines or more even my Adobe Web Premium CS3 and ZBrush 3.

The license should be to the USER, not the computer!

As already mentioned, computers fail and/or become outdated - out of 3 laptops I've owned, 2 died before I had the chance to deactivate my ZBrush and CS3 (email and calling adobe solved those problems)

I don't have a problem with this provided there is a activate / deactivate function. This, IMO, is the bare minimum for any package that's going to limit you to use on a single computer.

Don't tell me I have to install / uninstall the program - that's draconian in this day and age.

Give me the option of a dongle if that's the case! I have no problem with the company making their money but as usual, it's the reg'd users that suffer.

I could even see a "2nd or N use license" for a reduced cost for existing customer - c'mon.

I was going to submit my order later today but now I'll wait out my 30 and see how I feel about being limited by such a license...
(Reminds me of what was it? Swish back in the day where you had to stick in a floppy disk to "transfer the license" and then stick that into your other computer to run it there... smh)

-Will
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ScaryKitty
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there is already a thread that covered this answer and with vlad's input, i might add.

I found that, Kraellin. Wow. FF really IS machine-centric. I think that's too bad -- FF is so community-oriented that it seems stingy and paranoid to have this sort of license rather than a user-centric one. smile:|

Yeah, we should all read ALL the fine print when we buy something -- as WillBellJr has done and is now hesitating actually buying FF -- but when something runs against common sense, I guess some of us just assume. Shouldn't, but do.

WillBellJr: I hope playing with FF will convince you it's worth it, but I can totally understand your reluctance. I feel a little insulted by the situation, myself, especially as a fairly steady contributor. But still, I think FF is a good enough program, and the community is important enough, that I'm not going to give up on it even though I disagree with the licensing model. Hey, if nothing else, you can 30 (or 60 or 90) days of filtering fun. smile:)
Kat

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Kraellin
Kraellin

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the only software license that shld be machine-centric is the operating system. that one i can understand...somewhat. it still annoys me that if i want to run an xp lan with 3 machines for my own personal use, that i have to buy 3 copies of xp, but, i can somewhat see the justification on the o/s. but, just about everything else, user-centric is the way it shld be. as generous as FF is in so many other ways, i do find this a bit odd.
If wishes were horses... there'd be a whole lot of horse crap to clean up!

Craig
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